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by abc123
22 Aug 2019, 16:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 163
Views: 14714

Re: RN anti-ship missiles

But ASMs are useless, who needs them? :lolno:

What's next, buying torpedos for T26? 8-)
by abc123
16 Aug 2019, 16:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5973
Views: 310938

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Remember MP Net well. A lot of good stuff on there, One thing for sure it had a few good contributors. There are a lot of fantasists here for sure, creeping into the threads and spoiling them. Also a lot of people who think they Know it all and have no room for others in there discussions. Sorry if...
by abc123
09 Aug 2019, 10:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

RAF>FAN wrote:
Old RN wrote:If the Russian corvettes are the River Class equivilants then why does Forth not have a 100mm main gun, 3 x CIWS, 8 x 300km cruise missiles and 21" torpedo tubes?


Its ok don't worry. They have Close In Catapults and buckets of stones they can throw if things turn nasty


:clap:
by abc123
08 Aug 2019, 08:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5973
Views: 310938

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Personally I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that H&W is now closed permanently. Compared to Appledore the infrastructure is very impressive. With the T31, FSS and FLSS programmes still active, yards like H&W should have a bright future - if only HMG would back British industry and stop hid...
by abc123
06 Aug 2019, 18:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I don't see how you can justify NGFS as no need by bringing up carrier aviation and the other 14 high end escorts. Those escorts will be hard pressed with their main tasks of asw and aaw and won't be in a position to perform NGFS (kinda makes the 5inch with its expensive ammo system on the type 26 ...
by abc123
06 Aug 2019, 15:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3903
Views: 240027

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

About as realistic as you sticking to the "News Only" part of the thread. I know that they will not do that, but sincerely doubt that any big harm was done by posting that here? Mods can transfer it into another thread if they want. Also, considering the glacial speed of T26 construction,...
by abc123
06 Aug 2019, 13:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3903
Views: 240027

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Ok, if somehow, HMG, say tomorrow decides that they will order 13 T26 right now, all of them, what do you think realistic delivery schedule would be?
by abc123
03 Aug 2019, 11:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2846
Views: 161727

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

What's in that part behind the funnel? Couldt some small hanger ( maybe extendable ) be added there and that part moved somewhere, left or right? https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--xFSz4JkhUQ/XTqbqwgI24I/AAAAAAACFbM/gceJBHXZMoEEEPTF_vPkJru5Wh9xuVncACEwYBhgL/s1600/66652031_1413802032122240_7405414424585961...
by abc123
03 Aug 2019, 11:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think that a second shipbuilding company, based in England ( or at least out of Scotland ) is necesarry, in case of Scottish independence. Whatever the costs are. Keeping it for long period, compared to "pay for moving everything back to England when it happens", which will be more expe...
by abc123
03 Aug 2019, 09:58
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1396
Views: 95505

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

The demise of the Northrop led land based F-18, was a bone of contention between them and McDonald Douglas, as the former were supposed to be the lead for land based sales, but the latter broke the agreement. The land based version was far lighter and had an airframe stressed to 9G unlike the FA-18...
by abc123
03 Aug 2019, 08:27
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1396
Views: 95505

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

The demise of the Northrop led land based F-18, was a bone of contention between them and McDonald Douglas, as the former were supposed to be the lead for land based sales, but the latter broke the agreement. The land based version was far lighter and had an airframe stressed to 9G unlike the FA-18...
by abc123
03 Aug 2019, 08:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think that a second shipbuilding company, based in England ( or at least out of Scotland ) is necesarry, in case of Scottish independence. Whatever the costs are.
by abc123
03 Aug 2019, 08:02
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1396
Views: 95505

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Not really surprising, but this decision will definitely impact on FCAS' overall performance. Building in the strength to absorb routine carrier ops means a lot of weight... https://www.janes.com/article/90221/european-fcas-fighter-to-be-optimised-for-carrier-ops But who will pay for that? I can't ...
by abc123
03 Aug 2019, 07:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2846
Views: 161727

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Some more photos.. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oS1m_k1_sFQ/XTLYmYcuuMI/AAAAAAACFRs/v9nGnSU_LZ0FIet8r4SuhGRpHPyIr3WmwCLcBGAs/s1600/67413516_10214969737421725_2997774717479288832_o.jpg What's in that part behind the funnel? Couldt some small hanger ( maybe extendable ) be added there and that part mov...
by abc123
31 Jul 2019, 14:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Poiuytrewq wrote: The key to the T26 is its cutting edge propulsion system, noise reduction and acoustically optimised hull etc.

If they are not required then Arrowhead is a solid option at a vastly reduced cost.


:thumbup:
by abc123
31 Jul 2019, 12:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

[quote="Jake1992". If it was me and the time and budget it was there I’d look at the very successful British design in the T26 and see how to use the design as a starting point in design a light frigate version, one that would use the prowess of the T26 design with out being the high end e...
by abc123
31 Jul 2019, 12:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Jake1992 wrote:
Poiuytrewq wrote: is why the T31 is just rehashed designs already out there.


And what's so wrong about that? Except that it wont cost the MoD a bilion pounds per ship...
by abc123
29 Jul 2019, 21:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

People keep returning to wanting to turn the type 31 into an asw ship and comparing it to every new design going. We have a modification to a corvette, we have a modification to a danish asw ship and a modification to a meko frigate in the contest. And yet the best and cheapest asw escort vessel is...
by abc123
28 Jul 2019, 17:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Actually, not a bad proposal at all, I would just delete aft 57 mm gun and put there either a third 30 mm gun with LMM ( or maybe even with a Brimstone missiles ). Would agree with this a 2nd 57mm seems too much here - would rather see 57mm fore, 30mm port & starboard plus a LMM/Starstreak laun...
by abc123
28 Jul 2019, 17:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The item-1 is an action for short-term = NOW, and item-2 is for long term = needs ~10 years to accomplish. Independently, here I have some proposal to generate the operational cost and man-power pay rise, by cutting equipment budget. Specifically, the 1.5B GBP of T31e program. As can be seen, my pr...
by abc123
25 Jul 2019, 13:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Caribbean wrote:Hi, not my quote. You'll have to sort out the html tags to get it to quote correctly, or delete the post and re-post it


Sorry, my bad.
by abc123
25 Jul 2019, 11:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Poiuytrewq wrote:
Caribbean wrote: We just have to hope that Mr Javid is a bit more generous than Mr Hammond. Time will tell.


Mr Javid will be as generous as Mr Johnson orders him to be. :think:
by abc123
25 Jul 2019, 11:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Where do the cut exist? Because 1,25 bln. will be spent on 5 T31 during next few years, while the same money will be spent on T26 No9 15 years from now, if ever. Uhm, reasonable point. But what if you buy 5 more F35B (for 750M GBP) in 2020-2025 and do not buy 5 in 2030-35? # The other 750M GBP will...
by abc123
25 Jul 2019, 10:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486615

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

A heretical idea: What if we cancel last two T26 (so only 6), and instead use the money (1,5 bln.) to: A) build 2 more T31 (so 7) B) better equip T31, with CAMM and NSM/Harpoon, C) maybe even add ASROC on T26 or CAPTAS on T31? Ok, I agree, that's spending of future money, but its the same budget ...

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