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by mr.fred
08 Feb 2020, 12:15
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 145478
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Ok so how much do the new turrets for the Warrior cost as a comparison? remember in both cases the CTA40 is Government Furnished Equipment as is also the case on Ajax. The programme cost is about £5m apiece, on the same basis (300 vehicles, £1.5bn). The scope on Warrior is a little larger, what wit...
by mr.fred
07 Feb 2020, 23:46
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 145478
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Bugger the 105mm option, can we have as many of those 3030 unmanned turrets with a CTA40 and 2x Spike LR as soon as possible. Goodbye Boxer APC hello Boxer IFV, still with eight dismounts. Recce version has extra ammo, ATGWs and Sensor mast with additional crew. It will take at least five years and...
by mr.fred
07 Feb 2020, 20:02
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 145478
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

If what you say is correct, and BAE had a fully compliant solution at the lowest price that didn’t get picked, I would have thought that they would have legal redress?
by mr.fred
04 Feb 2020, 23:03
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

Has anyone else got any ideas of how the Army should look moving forward? Myself I am quite surprised the only real debate over my proposal has been regarding the Artillery. The artillery issue was mostly highlighting a lower level issue with the requirements for things, then the idea of certain th...
by mr.fred
01 Feb 2020, 10:11
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

I think that use of language is important to convey accurate information. If anything can be waved as “just a figure of speech”, usually by people using hyperbolic oversell who have been proven wrong, then you lose the ability to be specific. If you can’t be specific, you cannot communicate clearly....
by mr.fred
31 Jan 2020, 23:12
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

I haven't the figures so does anyone have the continuous RoF for the AS-90? 6 per minute for three minutes. Might seem bad at first, but: 1) doesn’t seem so far behind the 8 per minute quoted in a few places for the 2S35 2) who is going to sit still for three minutes when counterbattery fire could ...
by mr.fred
31 Jan 2020, 21:28
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

the point isn’t “I want vulcano”, but rather anything that we can stuff down the barrels -oops, I guess the process works from the other direction - of what we have now, fielded - then, next, rebalance the the conventional and rocket artillery ... as both are going through "order-of-magnitude&...
by mr.fred
30 Jan 2020, 18:22
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

Reference for the Vulcano: https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/product/vulcano-precision-guided-munitions But the point isn’t “I want vulcano”, but rather “make sure you don’t judge your kit against the outlier specifications of the potential opposition” and “don’t hamstring yourself to achieve a requi...
by mr.fred
30 Jan 2020, 10:16
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

Excalibur could go into our tube artillery as we have it, whereas wouldn't Vulcano require the longer barrel? - no worries, we licensed the Braveheart turret to Huta Stalowa, so we'll just order some (through they did swap to a different gun; indeed they swapped twice to get it working) There’s a d...
by mr.fred
30 Jan 2020, 07:21
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

ArmChairCivvy wrote:if we are talking Excalibur, its range from the shorter barrel was quoted on the preceding page of comments

No, Vulcano.
by mr.fred
29 Jan 2020, 20:03
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

As for the performance of the 2S35, well compared to anything we have it certainly overmatches our tube artillery, and matches the best western SPGs like the PzH2000. All the more reason for us not to go out an buy a new SPG until something becomes available that is highly mobile, easily deployable...
by mr.fred
29 Jan 2020, 07:25
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

Lord Jim wrote:However this system significantly out performs most if not all western SPGs,

Not really. You’re picking the extreme ends of performance and citing them as standard.
The 2S35 is equivalent to a good, modern western SPG, which is impressive, but “Significantly outperforms” is not justified.
by mr.fred
28 Jan 2020, 21:56
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

I’ll re post what I originally posted in the AS90 thread regarding Russian artillery: Except that's not true. The 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV, which is most likely what you think you are referring to, is cited as having a range of 30-40km with standard projectiles. It has a rate of fire of 8-10 rounds a minu...
by mr.fred
25 Jan 2020, 15:12
Forum: British Army
Topic: The future form of the Army
Replies: 88
Views: 4310
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The future form of the Army

. In theory the lead elements of such a formation could be in the Baltics within seventy two hours of the order to move being given, under their own power. By which point, in theory, an attacking force that starts on the border will have been in position for 48 hours, so what’s the point? I can't h...
by mr.fred
21 Jan 2020, 17:14
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Part 2 of the Tank Museum’s piece.

A bit light, in my opinion.
by mr.fred
04 Jan 2020, 18:04
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1721
Views: 180969
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

In fairness, the US is having problems getting all the access to the software that it wants.
by mr.fred
02 Jan 2020, 15:40
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

IMHO if it really is that important to stay in the heavy tank business we should do it properly, build a new chassis as well and call it Challenger 3. The trouble with a new build is that we don't really have the time to do it. The Challenger 2 needs obsolescence management/upgrading now, if not so...
by mr.fred
02 Jan 2020, 12:48
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Latest open source price I for M1A2C is USD 1.5 Billion for 135 units, contract signed 2017, ie £8.5million per unit at current exchange rates. What's included in that £8.5m? Guns, Radios, engines, tracks, VAT? US contracts often miss those things out. Challenger LEP budget is unknown as it does no...
by mr.fred
01 Jan 2020, 02:15
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)
Replies: 488
Views: 66926
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

dmereifield wrote:
dmereifield wrote:8 years ago they received a contract, and thus far none have been delivered....


Delivered operationally I mean to say, which is a criticism of the Army/MoD, not BAE

What about Lockheed Martin?
by mr.fred
31 Dec 2019, 10:14
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

For the optimistic, the 2035 date could be the acceptance that 10-15 years is the longest you can expect an AFV to serve without some kind of update.
by mr.fred
23 Dec 2019, 09:55
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

From : https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2016/11/challenger-2-lep-bidders-downselected.html The British MoD choice effectively eliminated all other biding companies, which were the Belgian CMI Defence (in a team with Ricardo), the German company KMW (teamed up with Pearson Engineering), the...
by mr.fred
22 Dec 2019, 23:30
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

It may be "bigger" shell. Smoothbores take a lot more longer shells than the L30A1 because it's two piece, not one piece. But dart sizes inside the shell have increased due to how much less space the propellant needs as chemistry improves, thats why they are "longer". It's not r...
by mr.fred
20 Dec 2019, 23:02
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

This popped up on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlcRsMB9SwM Interesting details on the development and selection of the Challenger 2. Part 2 looking at the details of the tank coming up. Odd how the export tank thing seems to have died a death - maybe the proliferation of surplus MBT flee...
by mr.fred
16 Dec 2019, 23:13
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

God forbid the BA ever aspiring to have the best tank. That would never do. A CR2 LEP with a 130mm gun would only be the best tank in a top trump deck. In real life the rate of fire would tend to zero over any period of time, unless you also scope to include an auto loader. Scope creep being the de...
by mr.fred
16 Dec 2019, 15:49
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 157815
Location: United Kingdom

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

I’m fairly confident that putting the 130mm into CR2 LEP would be foolish at best.

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