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by Zero Gravitas
20 Jul 2019, 12:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 735
Views: 76723
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

The tTimes says that the Stena Impero was surrounded by four vessels yesterday and a helicopter.

HMS Montrose, it is reported, was 10 mins “late”.
by Zero Gravitas
14 Dec 2018, 10:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10606
Views: 913444
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Not convinced. The RN AAW onion skin on a war footing will be something like (I have no idea what the actual ranges are, but in principle): F35 - outermost Aster 30 Astute (?) Merlin Lynx Aster 15 Camm ECM (?) Chaff Phalanx - innermost This is almost identical to the USN except that the RN with T23/...
by Zero Gravitas
10 Dec 2018, 09:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 408672
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

https://www.ft.com/content/074ea42c-fa2 ... a24bd5409c

BAE Systems, Babcock International and Atlas Electronik UK have been shortlisted.
by Zero Gravitas
30 Nov 2018, 13:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Not good news for Navantia. AIBN says they have found safety critical issues relating to HMoNS Helge Ingstad watertight compartmentsimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg https://www.aibn.no/Marine/Investigations/18-968 Could there be potential implications for navies operating Navantia vessels across the glo...
by Zero Gravitas
21 Oct 2018, 20:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 408672
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Not sure if this is news? "Engineering giant Babcock International is poised to announce the closure of its Appledore shipyard next month, despite last-ditch efforts by ministers to save the north Devon site. A dearth of orders has in effect signed the shipyard’s death warrant, with no more wor...
by Zero Gravitas
09 Oct 2018, 13:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

NickC wrote: //Zumwalt stability problems and cost.// . Your lengthy quote in no way supports the idiot claim that the Zumwalts were cancelled because of stability problems.   Admin,   Ron5 name calling again, now I'm an 'IDIOT'. Its very, very regrettable but Ron5 has a history, so requesting eith...
by Zero Gravitas
29 Jul 2018, 17:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Donald-san has a point around making clear there are cuts when there have been ones. How about following the OBR & Bank of England independence models and creating an 'Office for Military Readiness' or OMR. Chaired by ex-military senior officers. Board made up of same plus the usual suspects. Ta...
by Zero Gravitas
07 Jun 2018, 13:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Seeing a separate £13.5bn budget for missiles makes me think it's much more likely that T26 and T31 will actually have their various silos filled.
by Zero Gravitas
20 May 2018, 21:24
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1482
Views: 127736
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft General Discussion

Prospects for combat air: What follows Typhoon and Lightning?

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-8304

From the ever estimable House of Commons Library.
by Zero Gravitas
21 Apr 2018, 22:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I do hope you are right as if each T31 ends up costing more than £1bn we might end up with something half decent :thumbup: My valet, who types up my posts, missed out the key words "empty, de-specced" it should have read: "Yes, I agree. 5 T31 will inevitably end up costing more than ...
by Zero Gravitas
21 Apr 2018, 20:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Trip wires. Often talked about. Never needed. Yes, I agree. 5 T31 will inevitably end up costing more than 5 T26 would have, and they will be less capable too (probably). I'm just searching for positives. By the way, I thought this tweet from "former treasury official" Nick MacPherson was...
by Zero Gravitas
21 Apr 2018, 18:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

You are quite right. The introduction of carrier group ops is going to be a big change to how other standing tasks are managed. Only TAPS will be fully maintained. All others will be only be undertaken when possible. However, there is one new trick can be used and that is forward basing. Keeping a ...
by Zero Gravitas
10 Apr 2018, 13:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 408672
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I would have thought that 8 T26s and 5 Absalon would provide a significant capability uplift in almost every domain when compared to 13 T23.

All that space is, in principle, excellent future proofing too.
by Zero Gravitas
20 Dec 2017, 21:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10606
Views: 913444
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Beeb's reporting of the "leak" was frustrating. It was suggestive of either cluelessness or an agenda. "highly embarrassing" was the bit that got me. On the plus side they had a Have Your Say on the article and all the most up-voted comments were along the lines of it being a pre...
by Zero Gravitas
30 Sep 2017, 19:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10606
Views: 913444
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

E's graph is in real terms. It's in fixed prices. Well, yes, but it would make things considerably clearer if: (1) the chart covered eg 1945-2017 (as implied by the text in the post and not 1959-2007, chosen who knows why?); and (2) showed total economic growth in addition, so that the progressivel...
by Zero Gravitas
30 Sep 2017, 15:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10606
Views: 913444
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

E's graph is in real terms. It's in fixed prices.
by Zero Gravitas
27 Sep 2017, 21:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 651
Views: 58583
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

How exactly would you manage to get the Navy all in the same spot?? The usual four step plan: 1. Promise a free bar. 2. Tell them, actually, you don't expect them to come following events last week when they proved what a bantam weight they were after three shandies and a Tia Maria. 3. Tell them Da...
by Zero Gravitas
26 Sep 2017, 13:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 651
Views: 58583
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

What is the point of a multiple billion pound navy when the entire lot could be annihilated by eg a legacy f16 with a ten KT warhead?
by Zero Gravitas
26 Sep 2017, 13:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Dreadnought Class SSBN
Replies: 651
Views: 58583
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Dreadnought Class SSBN

Sharkbait, why is a land based deterrent not a deterrent? Either way it's still a big fuck off missile with a nuclear warhead. Trident provides a (nearly) guaranteed second strike capability. It deters rational actors from nuking you cos they know you can nuke them back. Land based does not guarant...
by Zero Gravitas
21 Sep 2017, 15:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I admit my use of "if" in my post above is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Just pointing out that the criticism here may be fair for the base model but we don't yet know whether it is fair for the programme as a whole. Also doubt existing ships will be FFBNW, or otherwise easily upgr...
by Zero Gravitas
21 Sep 2017, 12:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Isn't it more (for now) about ensuring that certain (most likely) upgrade paths will incur a minimum cost later. Yes. T31e is supposed to be a programme that can more easily deliver hulls with a wider spectrum of capabilities than other attempts. We're criticising the base, empty model here. If we ...
by Zero Gravitas
15 Sep 2017, 13:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Somewhat interesting and misguided history lesson which tells us precisely nothing about what our strategic aims are going forward and how the configuration of defence that is needed to achieve it or why more ships are the answer. Our strategic aims in the context of defence are the protection of a...
by Zero Gravitas
14 Sep 2017, 13:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 651584
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It's not 1900 and we don't have an empire to protect. I don't think we as a country know what our strategic aim is or how we see ourselves and our role in the world. Whether by accident or design, the UK's (and US's) consistent aim since ww2 has been to enable and help shape a liberal, rules based ...
by Zero Gravitas
08 Sep 2017, 10:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 408672
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Is the intention that the 'adaptable' capabilities are either utilised or not at the point of build, or are they an extensive list of capabilities that could be easily installed, (ie somewhere around a FFBNW or a modular approach) once the ship is in use?
by Zero Gravitas
07 Sep 2017, 18:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 408672
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I had OPV like expectations as soon as this was announced and my expectations have been kept low by reading this thread etc. Perhaps because of that I am somewhat pleased with this. If you accept the budget as a starting point then this is a sensible approach. It looks like it will be a big, but emp...

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