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by RunningStrong
12 Feb 2020, 08:02
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Ron5 wrote:You must be a civil servant with your "gift" for answers.

And you sound like a 12 yr trooper, the incredible ability to make everything sound easy, and yet still stuck at the first hurdle.

One of us is certainly wrong, but perhaps both.
by RunningStrong
09 Feb 2020, 19:40
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

To me "working" and "operational" mean the same thing. I guess that must mean something different in your line of business We're on a defence forum. It's disingenuous to suggest they mean the same thing. Perhaps you can confirm LM's proposal of reusing the Warrior turret on the ...
by RunningStrong
08 Feb 2020, 22:00
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Ideally I would like to see the maximum number of dismounts retained, and any manned turret is going to reduce this. Does the international version of the Ajax turret still use the over large turret ring of the Ajax or is it a more universal size? The AJAX turret and Warrior/LM turret are different...
by RunningStrong
08 Feb 2020, 21:54
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Unfortunately the British Bae dorks presented a bid that beat every single requirement and built at their own expense a fully operational vehicle including a turret that fired the 40mm CTA gun that could also be fitted to the Warrior. Nope, they didn't! I know alot more about that turret, and to cl...
by RunningStrong
08 Feb 2020, 12:22
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Bugger the 105mm option, can we have as many of those 3030 unmanned turrets with a CTA40 and 2x Spike LR as soon as possible. Goodbye Boxer APC hello Boxer IFV, still with eight dismounts. Recce version has extra ammo, ATGWs and Sensor mast with additional crew. The gunners sight location on the 30...
by RunningStrong
08 Feb 2020, 08:51
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Unfortunately the British Bae dorks presented a bid that beat every single requirement and built at their own expense a fully operational vehicle including a turret that fired the 40mm CTA gun that could also be fitted to the Warrior. Nope, they didn't! I know alot more about that turret, and to cl...
by RunningStrong
16 Jan 2020, 21:35
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 341
Views: 46980

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Ron5 wrote:The parliamentary reply indicated a competition for Group 2 was going on but has a list of the competitors ever been announced?

I've seen Eagle & Bushmaster labelled as favorites but not from official sources.

Both have been pictured on trials and demonstration with the Army in 2019.
by RunningStrong
23 Dec 2019, 22:14
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 159400

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Lord Jim wrote:BAe can still submit a separate bid for the CR2 LIP though it would now have to find an alternative location for he work to be carried out, possible one of their partners such as GD(UK).

Why would it?
by RunningStrong
23 Dec 2019, 12:44
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 159400

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Not forgetting the larger "teaming" arrangements. BAE Systems Land (UK) has brought together the most experienced defence partners from across the globe to form a UK based team. Team Challenger 2 consists of BAE Systems Land (UK), General Dynamics Land Systems-UK, Leonardo, Safran Electron...
by RunningStrong
23 Dec 2019, 08:30
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 159400

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

I may be wrong, but I think the Rheinmetall turret is related to the existing CR2 one, but was stripped right back and basically rebuilt to allow for ammo stowage of the one piece rounds for the L55A1 together with other new equipment, but allowed for the retention of existing kit that was to be re...
by RunningStrong
16 Dec 2019, 17:37
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1564
Views: 159400

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Looking at the length of that 130mm APFSDS round makes me think you're going to need a S-Tank to be able to handle them!
by RunningStrong
10 Dec 2019, 08:05
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 341
Views: 46980

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Not exactly insuperable problems. As I said, with money... The end result would undoubtedly be a lot cheaper to buy & support than any other of the alternatives mentioned so far but would be later in arriving (probably not an issue with the drip feeding of money from the Treasury) and a bit mor...
by RunningStrong
09 Dec 2019, 20:06
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 341
Views: 46980

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Not exactly insuperable problems. As I said, with money... The end result would undoubtedly be a lot cheaper to buy & support than any other of the alternatives mentioned so far but would be later in arriving (probably not an issue with the drip feeding of money from the Treasury) and a bit mor...
by RunningStrong
09 Dec 2019, 17:36
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 341
Views: 46980

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

I do believe we would do better to only proceed with the Group 1 MRV(P) and use it and additional Boxers to cover the requirements the MRV(P) programme as a whole would have met. The right Group 1 platform could also carry out some of the roles intended for the Group 2 platform, and he Boxer can ce...
by RunningStrong
08 Dec 2019, 21:10
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 341
Views: 46980

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Why is this requirement split into two? Why not 4x4 and 6x6 variants of the same? If Oshkosh are too busy, I bet there's a UK engineering company or two that could stretch the JLTV. Supacat for one. Who would provide the warranty on that vehicle and act as design authority? Anything is possible wit...
by RunningStrong
07 Dec 2019, 17:00
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

A video by ARTEC for their tender for the MIV programme, proposing Boxer and what it can bring to the British Army and so on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6WAkezuGi4 How can you claim 15 module variants when the majority are shared (driver trainer, C2, Ambulance) or a small variation on the sam...
by RunningStrong
05 Dec 2019, 19:26
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Having a big gun as against ATGWs has advantages. The growing number of passive and active protection systems being introduced as going to make it harder and harder to use ATGW effectively. Completely agree, however, trying to conceal a 30ton 8x8 with a 120mm manned turret isn't easy either in a wo...
by RunningStrong
05 Dec 2019, 14:47
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

[ So long as the British Army continues to claim it can do similar, or indeed more ambitious missions with AJAX running on tracks and 38 tons modern-day SAXONs with .50 HMGs, i'll keep saying it is a demented proposition. And it demonstrably is, even without being Patton. Who, by the way, i hold in...
by RunningStrong
30 Nov 2019, 12:55
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Lord Jim wrote:So easy anyone could do it.

As per usual discussion on this, that's clearly not a battle-worn platform, and that's clearly not a battlefield swap.
by RunningStrong
29 Nov 2019, 23:13
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

ArmChairCivvy wrote:Yep "Note discussion of combat supplies endurance and range"
but the first two minutes into it puts to rest the long running argument about changes between mission modules.

Believe it when I see it!
by RunningStrong
29 Nov 2019, 08:21
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Photo shown at this link suggests there aren't mineblast seats fitted?

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/mrav/
by RunningStrong
28 Nov 2019, 23:23
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

but only six seats in the rear compartment? Interesting. I do see two large equipment racks in the back, is this maybe a command vehicle? Definitely not a C2 variant shown. I suspect it's a 6 PAX fit with 96 hr supply racks (as alluded to in the video), which could be exchanged for an 8 PAX setup, ...
by RunningStrong
24 Nov 2019, 13:29
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 341
Views: 46980

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Are you sure the Foxhounds will be replaced? Seems to me they serve a different purpose and does it well. Foxhound is certainly more suitable in urban areas than JLTV (2m wide v 2.5m wide), and it seems a few modular adaptions have been shown (WMIK, C2, Utility). Foxhound fleet is going through an ...
by RunningStrong
20 Nov 2019, 20:00
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

The UK RWS 'fleet' is almost entirely Kongsberg. Again, we're heavily invested in that interface already so we would need to accept a bespoke solution for Boxer which doesn't make sense in my mind. Almost entirely if you don't count in Thales SWARMLITE and Leonardo ENFORCER. There are quite a few o...
by RunningStrong
19 Nov 2019, 06:13
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1446
Views: 147139

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

I do wonder whether said RWS manufacturers have any interest in endorsing this integration in their already in-service hardware. For Midguard, Venom LR is a major advertising point! http://www.valhalla-turrets.com/products The EOS literature doesn't mention it (yet?), but the RWS can handle a missi...

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