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by military
14 Mar 2021, 15:36
Forum: British Army
Topic: Obsolescent and outgunned
Replies: 30
Views: 2185
Location: United States of America

Re: Obsolescent and outgunned

Too bad there is not a separate report on the deplorable state of the artillery!
by military
16 Oct 2020, 13:37
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 885
Views: 212802
Location: United States of America

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Lord Jim: 1. As a minor point, there are two Nexter turrets for the CT40 gun: the one on Jaguar and a second one that has been photographed or at least photoshopped onto a Boxer hull. 2. I don't know whether these Nexter turrets support the Generic Vehicle Architecture, which actually formed the bas...
by military
15 Oct 2020, 02:19
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 885
Views: 212802
Location: United States of America

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Here is an article by Harry Lye on the gun with a different take than the Twitter thread / Janes article mentioned above.

https://www.army-technology.com/features/ct40-cannon-proven-system-or-cause-of-delays/

I do think the export potential of the CTA gun is limited.
by military
03 Oct 2020, 21:59
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2421
Views: 577234
Location: United States of America

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

For a basic comparison, I quickly found the total development budget for the US Small Diameter Bomb Increment II / StormBreaker. It is $2.1 billion in US dollars. In addition, the procurement cost is $3.3 billion. By comparison, $11 million for JNAAM seems like a trivial investment. I am not sure wh...
by military
03 Oct 2020, 21:44
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 885
Views: 212802
Location: United States of America

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

The separate speeches this week by CDS and CGS were all about being light and deployable, which sounds bad for 1) casualties if there is a war and 2) AFV programmes. CDS is the inventor of strike brigades, from an earlier posting, and there are probably more jobs associated with Ajax than Warrior. A...
by military
01 Oct 2020, 00:18
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 885
Views: 212802
Location: United States of America

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

I should put this in one of the threads on armoured vehicles, and this thread is the most active currently. There is new submissions to the Defence Committee from General Dynamics UK (Ajax), Rheinmetall BAE Systems (Boxer, Challenger 2 LEP), and KMW/Nexter (Boxer, Leopard 2, French CT40 turret). Thi...
by military
26 Sep 2020, 23:31
Forum: British Army
Topic: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)
Replies: 1846
Views: 440041
Location: United States of America

Re: Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

Think Defence has expanded a lengthy article on the UK's history with the Boxer programme and added an article on Boxer variants. They are worth reading if you have a few hours! https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/boxer-armoured-vehicle-british-army/ https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/boxer-armoured-vehicle-...
by military
26 Sep 2020, 23:27
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 885
Views: 212802
Location: United States of America

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

The CT40 while compact has a very unique setup, the idea you could quickly shoe-horn it into an existing turret architecture, that isn't designed to accept it, is day dreaming. Makes sense. We'll see if Warrior CSP gets cancelled and replaced by a Boxer IFV variant. At that point, it is probably be...
by military
26 Sep 2020, 18:13
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 885
Views: 212802
Location: United States of America

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Julian Nettlefold has claimed "WCSP would be replaced by another variant of Boxer with a Rafael CT40 or 30mm customised turret as chosen by Lithuania." This Israeli turret is unmanned so it wouldn't impact the number of dismounts in the Boxer infantry version. See the brochure below. https...
by military
26 Sep 2020, 17:59
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1987
Views: 468612
Location: United States of America

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Is point 5 referring to new modular armour for the front of the Hull? Or could it be an add on armour package for both the hull and the "New" turret, basically a TES set for use when deployed operationally. I presume the turrets get new armour as the turrets will be newly manufactured by ...
by military
26 Sep 2020, 03:30
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1987
Views: 468612
Location: United States of America

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

As a guess about NMA, I believe the kits of appliqué armour used in Iraq in 2003 for Challenger 2 were the same kits used for Challenger 1 in Iraq in 1991. Some of the appliqué armour goes on the front hull, so maybe they are replacing that? The original website posting with this info seems rather s...
by military
25 Sep 2020, 21:16
Forum: British Army
Topic: Ajax Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 1106
Views: 291362
Location: United States of America

Re: Ajax Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

He’s very forthright with his statements. I wonder how he knows these things. It’s certainly the first I’ve heard about the Pizzaro and Ulan being rejected by Spain and Austria respectively. The spanish cut their second batch short, according to Wiki, perhaps that’s what he means? That is one inter...
by military
25 Sep 2020, 18:51
Forum: British Army
Topic: Ajax Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 1106
Views: 291362
Location: United States of America

Re: Ajax Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Julian Nettlefold, the editor of Battlespace magazine, has gone on the record with some of the problems with Ajax and Warrior. I placed the Warrior quotes in the Warrior thread here on the site. Yes and no. The choice of the CT40 canon as GFE equipment on both vehicles is the major cause of problems...
by military
25 Sep 2020, 18:47
Forum: British Army
Topic: Warrior Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 885
Views: 212802
Location: United States of America

Re: Warrior Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

Julian Nettlefold has some inside information on very serious issues with the Warrior CSP programme (and Ajax, which has its own thread). This is in a submission to the parliamentary Defence Committee for its inquiry into AFVs. Warrior CSP looks to be unaffordable and looks to be the sacrificial lam...
by military
21 Sep 2020, 23:25
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1987
Views: 468612
Location: United States of America

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Because I brought up Leopard 2's armour before, this thread on another discussion forum is a long and detailed discussion of Leopard 2's armour. I would say 2/3s of the discussion is about Cold War era tanks. There are few comparisons to other modern tanks. It does seem like the new German 2A7v mode...
by military
19 Sep 2020, 20:59
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1987
Views: 468612
Location: United States of America

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

RetroSicotte wrote:That youtuber is notoriously inaccurate with their data and has been called out several times in the past. No better than Matsimus.


I am sure every source has been wrong before. What specifically was the YouTuber RedAlert wrong about?
by military
18 Sep 2020, 01:14
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 2177
Views: 526543
Location: United States of America

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Here is RUSI analyst Justin Bronk giving a detailed comparison of the Typhoon and Rafale. The two aircraft are similar overall but there are many subtle differences.

https://hushkit.net/2020/09/17/eurofigh ... omparison/
by military
18 Sep 2020, 01:09
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1987
Views: 468612
Location: United States of America

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Started long ago " by 1992 all other variants had been modified to the A4 variant, totalling 2125 Leopard 2 A4’s in the West German Army. The A4 had an improved turret with flat titanium/tungsten armour, an automated fire and explosion suppression system" and has got substantially better ...
by military
17 Sep 2020, 18:32
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1987
Views: 468612
Location: United States of America

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

What makes you think it's not upgradable? Anything is upgradeable with more money but the Challenger 2 would even more of a niche fleet and the upgrade would not be as off the shelf as using a more popular foreign tank. This is not true.. I posted on Leopard 2A7 armour just now. There's already two...
by military
17 Sep 2020, 18:25
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1987
Views: 468612
Location: United States of America

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Certainly not as far as the turret is concerned. Turkey offers AMAP armour ( a German product) based rebuilds for German Leopards, so would be hard to believe that it would be the sole offer I was talking about the base Leopard 2A7 from the original manufacturer, KMW. I agree there are various thir...
by military
17 Sep 2020, 00:04
Forum: British Army
Topic: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)
Replies: 1987
Views: 468612
Location: United States of America

Re: FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

Here are some thoughts on the Challenger 2 replacement or upgrade. 1. The new tank should be upgradeable in another 15 years. This does not favour the Rheinmetall replacement of the CR2 turret, as this turret would be likely a boutique option for Britain and so a future upgrade would require new R&a...
by military
16 Sep 2020, 23:23
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2421
Views: 577234
Location: United States of America

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

I listened to Justin Bronk of RUSI's comments on the F-35 and related matters to the Defence Selected Committee at the link below. Bronk was the only guest who came informed so I eventually skipped past the comments of the two older experts. Bronk had a lot of good facts or points: 1. The UK would n...
by military
07 Sep 2020, 20:48
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2421
Views: 577234
Location: United States of America

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Across Aerospace certainly in the UK there has been a big shift over the last decade to using contract staff both in the engineering but also more on the shop floor, companies don’t want the overhead and the hassle of unions ruling shop floors Boeing are doing something similar with it’s more to Ch...
by military
07 Sep 2020, 17:43
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2421
Views: 577234
Location: United States of America

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Thanks to Airbus, Boeing needs to be aggressive on price for its commercial planes. Maybe all the outsourcing was originally a move to get around US labour unions? Maybe this is related to the move to South Carolina mentioned above. Also, subcontractors can be fired without Boeing executives getting...
by military
07 Sep 2020, 17:36
Forum: British Army
Topic: Ajax Armoured Vehicles (British Army)
Replies: 1106
Views: 291362
Location: United States of America

Re: Ajax Armoured Vehicle Variants (British Army)

In 2050, the vehicles would be 70 years old We have FV430s from the '60s poodling about in the Bulldog form. Indeed! I am confused about whether current (or very soon for RBSL) orders for Boxer and Ajax include variants for replacing Bulldogs in the two armoured infantry brigades, assuming those br...

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