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by donald_of_tokyo
20 Apr 2019, 09:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26534
Location: Japan

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

1: Bay class LSD will be starving for tasks, I think. Needs to amphibious assets are relatively low in peace time. A guy of German shipbuilder was also stating so in some article. With 4 Point class, Bay lost a "peace time" job = transferring vehicles of Army/RM. With 2 LSS coming, some ot...
by donald_of_tokyo
20 Apr 2019, 04:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

This is the exact reason I think that an Absalon design would be better in the position were in But I'm afraid the damage control standard will be important? US Navy escorts attacked by mine, suicide boats and Exocet SSM, survived because they had good damage control standard? Absalon design with l...
by donald_of_tokyo
20 Apr 2019, 04:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

or future proofing its options by going flexible, by going big? If they pick the A140 :) It is two fold. To carry USV/UUV in future, there are already T26, Bay, (maybe LSS), and MHC. T31e is only one of those options. To buy USV/UUV in future , the operation cost of T31e must be the smallest. Makin...
by donald_of_tokyo
19 Apr 2019, 14:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The XLUUV could be the future but how long will it be before it is in widespread use with RN? If the XLUUV proves to be in the 50t class what RN vessel could deploy it apart from the Albion's? Are we going to be leaving Littoral ASW up to RFA vessels? Of course the XLUUV could be deployed from the ...
by donald_of_tokyo
19 Apr 2019, 14:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Why The Royal Navy Does Not Need New ASW Corvettes https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com/2019/04/why-royal-navy-does-not-need-new-asw.html I admire Sir Humphrey, but I'm afraid he is not thinking much about active-passive sonar operations. Even though the ASW frigates get silent, they need to &qu...
by donald_of_tokyo
18 Apr 2019, 12:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

T31e is a cost cutting program of T23 replacement; cutting ASW (very expensive) and even cutting NGFS (rarely used) to make it cheap. Rarely used? NGFS or NGS as it is referred to by the RN has been used in action by the RN (and Commonwealth) surface fleet more than any other capability in pretty m...
by donald_of_tokyo
18 Apr 2019, 12:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3669
Views: 156578
Location: Japan

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

before she is towed down river for 6 more years(!) of fitting out Have to fit out the 5 T31s in-between and will only get to the T-26 in the 6th year :lolno: :lol: - as we only have one military fitting-out yard Umm, not sure. In 2021, the ship will be launched. In 2025, the ship will be delivered ...
by donald_of_tokyo
17 Apr 2019, 14:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 263
Views: 11813
Location: Japan

Re: Future ASW

Interesting investment.

It is trial, and not intended to do anything to be purchased. Just trial. Also, the budget is very low. With 1.5m GBP for 1 year, the team can hire only 6-7 person at most, very small team. The real output will be several years away, but, I totally agree this is the way to go.
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 19:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Two out of six modules were built in Damen. The high value modules are built in the Netherlands, that't the important bit. We now have 2 brilliant examples of next level shipbuilding and exports. Both Naval Group & Damen are exporting frigates with fully integrated masts. The images below are t...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 10:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26534
Location: Japan

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

The middle zone is dangerous, the Navy do not need a Snatch Land Rover at sea. Do our service personnel justice, give them the equipment to fight and win, or do not send them at all. The T31 is corner cutting to the extreme, not even the Brazilian could fit their crap ship inside the Brits budget. ...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 09:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Merlin helicopters
Replies: 392
Views: 23255
Location: Japan

Re: Merlin helicopters

Thanks. I checked the Polish government officials press release. https://www.gov.pl/web/obrona-narodowa/offset-podpisany-powstanie-centrum-serwisowe-dla-smiglowcow-do-zwalczania-okretow-podwodnych [sorry, google translate] "On Monday, April 8 this year Marek Lapinski, secretary of state in the ...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 09:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The only hull-section built in Dutch was the bridge+mast part (the most "complex" part), which was shipped to Mexico and then welded together. Have you got a source for this please? The French are doing the same for the Egyptians and I must say its a fantastic example of a modern ship bui...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 09:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Way off topic so I've moved it across, Thanks Donald, I enjoyed reading your reply. Thanks! "A basic Leander" is orders-of-magnitude more fighty than our Coast Guard OPVs. Even compared to US CG cutter, Leander is much more fighty for sure. True, but is it 'fighty' enough? Few other natio...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 09:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

But it is very difficult to find other candidates. Off the top of my head, I would suggest Brazil, Chile and New Zealand as potential customers Thanks. But Brazil has selected wide-hull MEKO A100-based corvette, which is as wide as MEKO A200 . And they are building them locally. Any export to Brazi...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 08:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26534
Location: Japan

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Yes a Wildcat is important asset in T31. But, why ignore 12 CAMM which can defend herself and accompanying vessels from attack by a few SSM? How about the ESM/decoy coupled with a radar cross section at least an order of magnitude smaller than such merchant vessels? Much higger damage controle stand...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 06:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Merlin helicopters
Replies: 392
Views: 23255
Location: Japan

Re: Merlin helicopters

So, 90 mil. euros for 4 AW101 Merlin? Damn cheap if you ask me... https://defence-blog.com/news/poland-to-order-four-aw101-merlin-to-replace-soviet-era-mi-14-helicopters.html Sorry, that's just the cost of the offset contract, not the actual cost of the deal. Brainfart by me. The article clearly st...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 06:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26534
Location: Japan

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

T31e is a fighting vessel If it ends up with a medium calibre gun and 12 CAMM and no HMS it will be more of a coastguard vessel than a credible frigate IMO. Surely no, at least for me. Please enjoy how Japanese Coast Guard OPVs are armed. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japan_Coast_Guard_ves...
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Apr 2019, 06:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Sorry I have no vision of T31e second batch. So what's what's the point of establishing a second non BAE escort production facility if it's only for 5 cheap hulls? If Cammell Laird get the contract for five 117m Leanders delivered by the mid 2020's what does the yard do after that? Letting CL go th...
by donald_of_tokyo
15 Apr 2019, 15:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

T31e is (clearly from its budget) a downgrade from T23GP. It is crystal clear. What about any second batch? The first batch may be cheap and cheerful but if RN is serious about growing the 'escort' fleet back up to 24 then the second batch will need to be substantially more capable than the first. ...
by donald_of_tokyo
15 Apr 2019, 15:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26534
Location: Japan

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

I would argue something like the above is a dam sight more useful than any of the T31 proposals. Imagine, would the RN be in a better position if instead of buggering about with the River class and T31 it cracked on with MHPC? I cannot understand your point. T31e is a fighting vessel filling the hu...
by donald_of_tokyo
15 Apr 2019, 15:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

An electrically propelled Arrowhead with 32+ CAMM is the closest the RN could get to a true T23 replacement. Everything else is a downgrade. No problem. T31e is (clearly from its budget) a downgrade from T23GP. It is crystal clear. I'm actually rather surprised many here still saying for "T23 ...
by donald_of_tokyo
14 Apr 2019, 03:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

(It's Niels Juel by the way.) thanks ... Also interesting that Niels Juel reportedly sailed with a complement of 160. That's 60 more than Babcocks core 100 figure for Arrowhead 140. Similarly, T45 is reportedly carrying 200-220 although its official number is 191. I think these real number is more ...
by donald_of_tokyo
13 Apr 2019, 16:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

https://www.janes.com/article/86239/helras-dipping-sonar-completes-acceptance-tests-on-seagull-usv "Elbit Systems has successfully integrated an L3 Technologies Helicopter Long-Range Active Sonar (HELRAS) active low frequency dipping sonar into its Seagull multimission unmanned surface vehicle ...
by donald_of_tokyo
13 Apr 2019, 16:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9294
Views: 292184
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

HMS Duncan at Cyprus, with Danish Frigate Daniel Juel.
Looks like a T45 and a T31e Arrowhead 140? :D
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by donald_of_tokyo
13 Apr 2019, 09:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 627
Views: 38610
Location: Japan

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

Then the FOST team will also deploy?

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