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by donald_of_tokyo
21 Feb 2020, 15:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3113
Views: 284629
Location: Japan

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

ref: "https://mobile.twitter.com/HMS_Forth/status/1228462185178959872" Beautiful. May be good for the moral of sailors sent to the far south, to crew Forth. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQxfyCHWsAUgIsP?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQxfyDnWAAE30w-?format=jpg&nam...
by donald_of_tokyo
19 Feb 2020, 15:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Donald - san I don’t know where you get either of those figures from, the t26 line in the 10 year equipment plan is 4.5 billion for three - that figure includes the add- ons. Thanks for the info. Great. And do you have a link to the actual t31 contract? I’ve tried to find it. No. It is all from med...
by donald_of_tokyo
19 Feb 2020, 14:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Personally, I don’t believe 5 T26s are going to be cut, it would mean closure of the Clyde and nowhere to build the T46 or whatever it’s called. We’ll get 8 t26s then there’ll be a transition to a t45 replacement which will probably be synced up with the RAN’s Hobart class replacement. If there are...
by donald_of_tokyo
19 Feb 2020, 13:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I agree escorts of RN is too few, but WHEN talking about world trend as saying "escorts gets larger", it must be paired with the fact that "AND decrease in number". But not anywhere near the rate of the Royal Navy's decreases for any serious navies out there, since they now have...
by donald_of_tokyo
19 Feb 2020, 12:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I'll still never understand why people keep pushing this "Type 26 are cruisers" narrative. 1) Escorts got larger. That's globally a trend. Nothing special for RN. But, the number of escorts gets smaller, as well. It is also world trend. See USN, see Netherlands, see French navy, see JMSDF...
by donald_of_tokyo
19 Feb 2020, 08:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I don’t know what the fuss is about - T31 is a T21 replacement, but with greater growth margin. Classic global patrol/presence frigate. No objection. The whole point is NOT here, but how to save remaining T26s from cuts. T26 numbers were cut because of cost growth in the design and neither side bei...
by donald_of_tokyo
17 Feb 2020, 13:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6350
Views: 512010
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

NickC-san. Thanks for detailed info on Iver Huitfeldt classes hull shock testings. The details are not known, but having a test is alway better than not having (I do not think shock test is there to check if the system breaks or not (very low reproducibility/reliability), but rather to actually meas...
by donald_of_tokyo
17 Feb 2020, 09:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Medium Frequency Sonar Thanks. So you mean the MFS-7000 hull sonar of T45 are all moved off? Very interesting info. As you know, 1 T45 is deployed, 2-3 are in long maintenance (one of them going to Camell Laird for diesel-gen replacement soon), and the other is in port, but none of them are decommi...
by donald_of_tokyo
17 Feb 2020, 02:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

IHO Things now utterly pointless to discuss: 1. What to call the Type 31's: they are frigates because the RN says so. Type 31 frigates to be precise. 2. Whether to cancel or change the Type 31 contract: it won't be. 3. Whether to change the Type 31 equipment configuration: it won't change, what you...
by donald_of_tokyo
17 Feb 2020, 01:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Ebro wrote:We now have 13 hulls with functioning MFS. As of 31 Jan T45 had MFS decommissioned with 6 hulls in Devonport that leaves 7 in total. Not great
Sorry, what do you mean by "MFS"? The hull sonar of T45 is named MFS-7000. Do you mean it?
by donald_of_tokyo
16 Feb 2020, 15:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

.... and, as SW1 says, it already has the physical capacity and topweight margin available to rapidly drop in equipment (VLS, Radar systems, larger main guns, decoys, etc. etc) to adapt it to other roles. Obvious really, since there are variants already in service with those systems fully integrate...
by donald_of_tokyo
15 Feb 2020, 14:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

NickC-san, very nice movie. Impressive. Thanks a lot. February 6th, the Mexican Navy commissioned the 2,570t/107m ARM REFORMADOR, Patrulla Oceánica de Largo Alcance , POLA, Long-Range Ocean Patrol Vessel, a variant of the Damen 10514 OPV, just for interest as fitted out makes an interesting baseline...
by donald_of_tokyo
15 Feb 2020, 09:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3113
Views: 284629
Location: Japan

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Not sure. River B1 OPV needs a crew of 45, of which 30 is onboard. To get it, at least one MCMV must go into extended readiness, I think. People say there is not enough fishery protection duty hulls. I am not sure here. River B1 and B2s are designed to achieve >300 days at sea. Are there any number ...
by donald_of_tokyo
14 Feb 2020, 16:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3113
Views: 284629
Location: Japan

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Beautiful movie! HMS Trent

by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2020, 14:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Royal Navy thread.... :yawn: ?? I am talking about Royal Navy. Should I also put the T31 rendering, for comparison? Then here it is. Easily, it lacks many soft-kill kits as RNZN 3600t frigate has. https://ukdj.imgix.net/f34d65e39b5aee44856f2fd2ec384d41_/TYPE31-Thales.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&...
by donald_of_tokyo
12 Feb 2020, 14:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Begs the question to why fitting the expensive NGFS to the T26 (~£180+ million Mk 45 for first 3) when high probability of being attacked by land AShM, third world Houthis rebels demonstrated the danger back in 2017 by taking out a Saudi ship. Not sure. If T26 cannot handle Houthis rebels' AShM, it...
by donald_of_tokyo
11 Feb 2020, 15:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

My main curiosity is...what is the intended purpose of a surface launched Spear on a ship? What is its target? Is this a solution looking for a problem? You won't ever use something like that against an opposing escort in this day and age, even lighter ones. What requirement is worth the expense an...
by donald_of_tokyo
11 Feb 2020, 14:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Query - A lot of people repeatedly suggest Spear as a vertical launch anti-ship weapon. In the air, it has about a 130-140km range. From vertical launch that is likely to be MUCH lower. MICA drops from 50km (although I'd seen ridiculous wikipedia claims of 80km lately, likely in the same "CAMM...
by donald_of_tokyo
11 Feb 2020, 12:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

3- Of course, 350M-500M GBP and 100 crew does not worth "one T26". But, we all know "another 750M GBP has been already stolen (I think, from T26)". This +350M GBP may kill one unit. At least, it may easily kill one Bay-replacement (making it only 2 hulls). Firstly we do not know...
by donald_of_tokyo
11 Feb 2020, 11:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I totally agree, canceling T31 might be "too late". But, for your hull-sonar, more CAMM, and ASM; (1) How much will it cost, (2) How many crew will be added, and (3) from where these money and crew will come? I guess it will be (in total for 5 units) 1- HMS = >100M GBP (not only HMS, but a...
by donald_of_tokyo
11 Feb 2020, 01:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3113
Views: 284629
Location: Japan

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

From HMS Forth twitter feed. "https://mobile.twitter.com/HMS_Forth/status/1226945653038866436"

Very good shot!

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by donald_of_tokyo
10 Feb 2020, 14:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11211
Views: 852892
Location: Japan

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Moving over here from the Type 31 thread Right now for me all Type 31 needs is a HMS and a 8 cell MK-41 VLS allowing the class to carry up to 32 CAMM or a Mix of CAMM and Spear-3 something like 20 x CAMM and 12 Spear-3 would be a good fit for its task Ok, but not going to happen. Realistically the ...
by donald_of_tokyo
10 Feb 2020, 12:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6350
Views: 512010
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Isn't it clear that it is a bargain price? Just imagine how much you can gain, if RN decide to throw away all 5 T31 and looking for sales? I think it will NOT be north of 200M GBP. Yes, with many support contract, you can gain some income later, but it is hidden. In world standard, when you sell a s...
by donald_of_tokyo
10 Feb 2020, 10:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6350
Views: 512010
Location: Japan

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Upon contract, all contractor get honest. Before, it is just sales talk. The user needs to understand what they are going to ask for. Personally, Babcock's "claim" of schedule was un-reliable, at least (or dishonest, I shall say). Even I was able to see it from the far east. MOD/RN must le...

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