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by SW1
26 May 2020, 17:32
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Replies: 159
Views: 42400
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)

Not to mention awacs going before replacement too.

If you keep order stuff you can’t afford things like this will continue to happen.
by SW1
26 May 2020, 17:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1138
Views: 159149
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Posted it a few hours ago on the shipbuilding thread.

Would suggest they’ll do what ever other shipyard in the uk does bring in contractors mainly from Eastern Europe.
by SW1
24 May 2020, 18:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Depending on what a ship agnostic system looks like every ship currently in the fleet maybe able to operate them or possibly even a hired or contracted vessels. They may not even need to be operated from another ship. But we know that for key things like MCM, the T45s and T31s are unlikely to be ab...
by SW1
24 May 2020, 14:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

SW1, Whether we are investing in ship agnostic capabilities or not is neither here nor there if you don’t have the ships capable of operating them. Depending on what a ship agnostic system looks like every ship currently in the fleet maybe able to operate them or possibly even a hired or contracted...
by SW1
24 May 2020, 13:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

because they wouldn’t be funded out of the current 10 year budget round but the next so we don’t know what funding there will be or what projects will be prioritised. Yeah we’ve been using that line for about 30 years + now and how wonderfully well it’s worked. Might as well be never never land. I ...
by SW1
24 May 2020, 12:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Jake1992 wrote:because they wouldn’t be funded out of the current 10 year budget round but the next so we don’t know what funding there will be or what projects will be prioritised.


Yeah we’ve been using that line for about 30 years + now and how wonderfully well it’s worked. Might as well be never never land.
by SW1
23 May 2020, 20:10
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)
Replies: 157
Views: 42798
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)

The UK’s Marshall Aerospace and Defence Group has confirmed that it withdrew from a project Last year Marshalls mentioned it intended it was going to move elsewhere and sell its land at Cambridge for Housing. Have not heard anything since about that move but it may have something to do with the can...
by SW1
23 May 2020, 13:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator
Replies: 72
Views: 20077
Location: United Kingdom

Re: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator

Repulse wrote:https://youtu.be/zdkLZhsAmJ0


It’s a gd video and I have seen it before, what I would point is the number of unmanned used and how they get there and the roll of the frigate in it. While this is theory and I’m sure various things will change but worth considering none the less
by SW1
23 May 2020, 11:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Given who uses the Pacific 95 and the type of roles a type 31 maybe assigned around littoral operations it would make an interesting proposition for an optionally manned variant.

https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/pacific-950
by SW1
22 May 2020, 20:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3309
Views: 371423
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Surely it’s the role of the RN to maintain the security and integrity of UK territorial waters from all forms of illegal activity, just like they do in overseas UK territories of the Falklands and Caribbean using a similar vessel type.
by SW1
22 May 2020, 18:04
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)
Replies: 157
Views: 42798
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/we ... 96.article The UK’s Marshall Aerospace and Defence Group has confirmed that it withdrew from a project to convert five Boeing 737NGs into E-7A Wedgetail surveillance platforms for the Royal Air Force (RAF) due to commercial considerations. The UK Ministry ...
by SW1
21 May 2020, 15:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Quite simply it has a big mission bay for larger “drones” than just a 7m Rhib davit - including space for maintenance. A flat working deck like the Venator 90/Venari would be an alternative. I see this comment repeated over and over but no where in any official documents or configurations for a140 ...
by SW1
20 May 2020, 19:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Well if we’re not doing mcm within the uk eez or to allow passage or movement of the uk carrier group or A NATO group then why on earth are doing mcm for in a hostile environment. It will not be outside of those two protection bubbles. Well that’s the end of Operation Kipion then. One can only hope...
by SW1
20 May 2020, 19:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The RN can no longer afford to provide a “protection bubble” outside of the UK EEZ or CEPP. Well if we’re not doing mcm within the uk eez or to allow passage or movement of the uk carrier group or A NATO group then why on earth are doing mcm for in a hostile environment. It will not be outside of t...
by SW1
20 May 2020, 13:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11678
Views: 1075317
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I always find this odd when such things are discussed. If there’s a hot war these ships would not be operating alone, they’d be part of and under the protection of the deployed task force that’s the whole point. As systems move offboard the ships that transport such systems will also change they may...
by SW1
20 May 2020, 13:11
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)
Replies: 157
Views: 42798
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)

https://www.boeing.co.uk/news-media-room/news-releases/2020/may/sts-aviation-services-in-birmingham-key-wedgetail-supplier.page Boeing [NYSE: BA] has selected STS Aviation Services and its Birmingham site for the conversion work on the United Kingdom's fleet of five Wedgetail Airborne Early Warning ...
by SW1
18 May 2020, 13:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3309
Views: 371423
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

The uk can be engaged with that part of the world without the need to have an opv permanently deployed it doesn’t even have to military. True, but the OPV + RFA combo which is on show in the Caribbean, and could be replicated, isn’t necessarily only for “military” operations. The survey vessels are...
by SW1
18 May 2020, 10:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3309
Views: 371423
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

The uk can be engaged with that part of the world without the need to have an opv permanently deployed it doesn’t even have to be military. We send one to the falklands because is a British territory and as such has a maritime security presence, and we send one to the Caribbean again because of Brit...
by SW1
15 May 2020, 22:49
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 1911
Views: 237108
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Boeing will still be here but it needs to light a fire under a new small jet as soon as it gets max back in the air. Don't think they have the cash or the engineering resource at present, and won't for a fair few years. The loss of the Embraer deal has killed them in that segment. There in it up to...
by SW1
15 May 2020, 18:59
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 1911
Views: 237108
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Thanks, I’ll bet both Boeing and Airbus will be praying for successful results at Paris. Boeing had already been having a tough time before the devastation wrought on the industry by the corona crisis and now it seems Airbus have been massively damaged by it too. I can’t blame either to be honest, ...
by SW1
15 May 2020, 16:05
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 1911
Views: 237108
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

cky7 wrote:Yeah had pretty much assumed it would be, was just wishing it could be otherwise. With it being bi-annual what will happen next year as before current crisis it wouldn’t have been held in 2021?


It will be Paris in June, farnborough will return in 2022.
by SW1
15 May 2020, 14:25
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Replies: 4661
Views: 536759
Location: United Kingdom

Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Interesting just as block 4 slips right and cost go up https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/agile-strategy-fails-to-deliver-as-f-35-upgrade-two-years-late-and-cost-rise-15bn/138345.article The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II’s modernisation is two years behind schedule and its cost has risen by...
by SW1
15 May 2020, 14:22
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 1911
Views: 237108
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Farnborough is cancelled for 2020.
by SW1
15 May 2020, 12:18
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)
Replies: 1050
Views: 160719
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)

The sentinel a/c has due to its continuous use on operations been kept up to date, sentry was not Are all four aircraft both serviceable and of the same standard/configuration? Have they been kept up to date through a ongoing development programme or have improvements been added on the fly. Both th...
by SW1
14 May 2020, 19:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3309
Views: 371423
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

All of this talk, and no one has stated what real benefit a patrol vessel in Singapore achieves. I think that because it doesn't achieve anything, other than mere tokenism. If building anything in that region, it should be logistics. Being that far from home is difficult, so it would be beneficial ...

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