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by SW1
22 Sep 2019, 12:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10472
Views: 549322
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

However the Type 31 program is not without its money questions i.e the fact we paid 3 companies 5 million pounds for design work this lead to two good ship designs with the winning bid from Babcocks and a well developed design that BAE can still push so money well spent in my book . But as for the ...
by SW1
22 Sep 2019, 11:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10472
Views: 549322
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It the ultimate expression of frustration at the process that has resulted in type45, carriers, type 26 and opv contracts Agree with the line of thinking, but spot the odd one out: ie. how does the carrier contract fall in with that company? Years late and way way over budget. Was signed off as a £...
by SW1
22 Sep 2019, 10:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10472
Views: 549322
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Picking the A140 is risky for RN. When everyone begins to realise the full potential of a hull of that size, the tempation for political interference will be huge. I don’t think the risk is with the RN at all. I think they know full well what potential they have in the hull and it’s been selected b...
by SW1
21 Sep 2019, 11:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 110
Views: 5670
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

If you changed the name of your type 31 gp to type 31 asw that would be what you’ve spec’d add fixed propellers and codlad which the builder say is possible for effect. Then your type 31security frigate which is essentially what we’ve just ordered And heck throw in the same configuration as the Dane...
by SW1
21 Sep 2019, 10:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 642
Views: 55607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

https://news.usni.org/2019/09/20/marines-navy-both-considering-something-like-an-offshore-support-vessel-to-supplement-amphibs New Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. David Berger turned heads when his Commandant’s Planning Guidance said “the global options for amphibs include many more options than...
by SW1
21 Sep 2019, 10:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2954
Views: 182236
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Why would you try and remove type 26 from the primary mission it was designed to do, from the royal navy’s number 1 priority that is to operate passively hunting nuclear submarines that are trying to track our ssbn. If you don’t need type 26 for that then you don’t need type 26 and beyond the 3 orde...
by SW1
20 Sep 2019, 19:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 110
Views: 5670
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion

With the focus on precision and low collateral damage is it possible the 5” gun maybe to much shell for increasingly crowded coastal areas and for longer range stuff either ship or uav mounted missiles preferred.
by SW1
20 Sep 2019, 18:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2954
Views: 182236
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

I think incentives are the wrong way to do it. If you make the standard package much better and the conditions for family much better people will not want to leave and if people don’t want to leave others will want to join. Look after what you’ve got and the rest will follow. The robbing of the main...
by SW1
20 Sep 2019, 10:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2954
Views: 182236
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Sorry - should have been clearer. There was a recent comment reported from a Government spokesman (possibly the DefSec - can't find the quote at the moment), saying that they were considering more ships for the Navy, in particular, mentioning the T31 and "our excellent patrol vessels" Ok ...
by SW1
19 Sep 2019, 22:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2954
Views: 182236
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

now saying saying we need to spend money to up gun river opv’s because we’re short frigates, yet have billions of pounds worth of frigates and destroyers mothballed or tied up Yes. Let's face it. T23s have been 'world cruising' and a lot of the time without the ASW crew -perhaps even w/o the kit - ...
by SW1
19 Sep 2019, 22:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2954
Views: 182236
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Replacement with three purpose-designed patrol frigates (c. 2500t range and a target cost of c. £175m) would be a sensible move and would provide the patrol fleet with a greater capability in higher-threat areas. Why would you spend 175m on a patrol frigate? You’d be better off buying 2 extra type ...
by SW1
18 Sep 2019, 17:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future ASW
Replies: 290
Views: 22979
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future ASW

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/dsei-2019/2019/09/video-seadrix-long-range-long-endurance-submarine-hunting-system/ It is also highly deployable. SeaDrix™ is 7.7m long x 3m high, meaning that it can be transported globally in an ISO container. It has its own deployment system (DDS) that can lau...
by SW1
17 Sep 2019, 18:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Royal Navy Gunnery Discussion
Replies: 110
Views: 5670
Location: United Kingdom

Re: 76mm Oto Melara

Why not the Thales rapidfire https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/rapidfire The RAPIDFire system has also been designed to enable firing of the STARStreak missile system, a Very Short Range Air Defence missile system with a speed in excess of Mach 3 and a range of around 7km. The combina...
by SW1
16 Sep 2019, 18:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6150
Views: 349522
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

It why it’s always cringeworthy about x number of jobs are declared to be supported by buying x. Most of the time these companies are large multinationals. Not reinventing the wheel and picking the best you can find that’s already out there and then integrating them together is something we should b...
by SW1
16 Sep 2019, 09:20
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1465
Views: 107955
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

We already have rivet-less composite (though u don’t use rivets in primary solid laminate composites) structures flying in operational a/c and the uk has world leading multi part composite layup at a price no one else can currently compete with. It’s one area we are world leading at in aerospace.
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 22:44
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1465
Views: 107955
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Just no on so many levels the last thing wanted is another multi national bun fight looking for National work share for little input. It’s key specialities that are required as an example there is no absolute no guarantee Sweden will buy any aircraft that is potentially developed.
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 22:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10472
Views: 549322
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Put it this way the price of the 2 carriers all the f35b the support ships needed for carriers etc would have got the rn another 6 astute and another 10 properly armed escort ships at least and I know which I would be more of a threat for our adversaries thinking dam the British have got lots of to...
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 21:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10472
Views: 549322
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We know the ASW capability has already been compromised compared to the T23 GP's with the A140's CODAD propulsion and non acoustically optimised hull plus there is still no confirmation that a hull mounted sonar will even be fitted but now we learn that a proper medium calibre gun in the 4.5" ...
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 20:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10472
Views: 549322
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We know the ASW capability has already been compromised compared to the T23 GP's with the A140's CODAD propulsion and non acoustically optimised hull plus there is still no confirmation that a hull mounted sonar will even be fitted but now we learn that a proper medium calibre gun in the 4.5" ...
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 18:12
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1465
Views: 107955
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Do you think getting access to EU funding is the primary driving force behind getting nations to sign up to tempest?

Or is getting access to certain systems and integration expertise that maybe deemed as essential to the program that can be delivered by Sweden and Italy.?
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 18:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10472
Views: 549322
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I would of thought if the type 31 is to used in the cluttered and congested littoral zone then the gun fit-out would be about ideal, for all the threats there likely to face from land, sea and air. As will sea Ceptor missile system. Perhaps we are seeing the beginning need to shift to a larger close...
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 14:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 642
Views: 55607
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

How many boats and helicopters do you need to insert a team 16? How many boats and helicopters do you need to extract your team of 16 if they get into a heavy contact and are pinned down on a hostile shoreline? You won’t be extracting them. At the end of the day Antrim, Plymouth and tidespring reto...
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 14:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10472
Views: 549322
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I Yes all good questions I like the design it should of been were type 26 started from, but the question is can you get if for 250m i too am somewhat sceptical if they had said £350m per Hull I would could see it. However I guess as there starting with an in service design and all systems already i...
by SW1
15 Sep 2019, 12:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6150
Views: 349522
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Maybe someone’s realised that CMS may not be as open architecture as it’s claimed to be and that the Thales one as it’s used by so many it is easier and cheaper to integrate new weapons and sensors with. Cerberus has always had good comments about it and it’s made by the same company

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