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by SW1
21 Aug 2019, 07:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 588
Views: 48148
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Maybe people just don’t want to see or just don’t like what the info is telling them but we seem to joining all the dots then completely ignore the direction. The reason for 2 store ships, lack of aircraft ect ect is because the RN is going to a TWO task force navy centred on the two aircraft carrie...
by SW1
19 Aug 2019, 22:10
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Replies: 4169
Views: 252653
Location: United Kingdom

Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Optimism love it.

If I were a betting man and I’m not I would say if a production contract appears for what’s coming out of tempest then we’ll buy less than 60 f35.
by SW1
19 Aug 2019, 19:59
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)
Replies: 4169
Views: 252653
Location: United Kingdom

Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

If People want to see ghosts in the shadows they will.


Until a decision is taken over a production contract for tempest and what that looks like the future composition of the fast jet fleet will remain tbd. I don’t see the f35 expanding much beyond what’s currently there for the foreseeable.
by SW1
18 Aug 2019, 19:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

The list you gave as a need for amphibious forces going forward was HADR, raiding forces and Littoral security ( no mention of an ARG ) with no ARG the RMs will be reduced to little more than a larger SF SBS set up. Yep that exactly what they should be. The amphibious ready group is a light battleg...
by SW1
18 Aug 2019, 17:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

The list you gave as a need for amphibious forces going forward was HADR, raiding forces and Littoral security ( no mention of an ARG ) with no ARG the RMs will be reduced to little more than a larger SF SBS set up. Yep that exactly what they should be. The amphibious ready group is a light battleg...
by SW1
18 Aug 2019, 15:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

This is the same mentality and tried reasoning that was round just before 82 as a way to justify killing off the amphibs and RM, all talk of it’ll never happen. I see no lessons have been learnt by some or just forgotten. Hardly even remotely the same. If you think we’re putting those sorts of numb...
by SW1
18 Aug 2019, 13:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

But the need to deliver a large enough force to retake any BOST should not just be a desire but is a obligation of HMG The obligation on HMG is ensure any BOST isn’t taken by force in the first place which is exactly what it’s done. Luckily none of them are in any danger what so ever in any strateg...
by SW1
18 Aug 2019, 11:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Controlling or providing security in the littoral is the navy equivalent of fighting in a city. It will require a full joined up approach, a littoral group what ever it’s composition will need a lot of specialists
by SW1
18 Aug 2019, 11:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

But the need to deliver a large enough force to retake any BOST should not just be a desire but is a obligation of HMG The obligation on HMG is ensure any BOST isn’t taken by force in the first place which is exactly what it’s done. Luckily none of them are in any danger what so ever in any strateg...
by SW1
17 Aug 2019, 22:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Jake1992 wrote:have to look at the need before the platform, so what will we most likely need to do -
2 - small scale amphibious raids
3 - Littoral security
4 - HADR


I would say that is the likely need. Added to this the ability to reconstitute a disused or damaged port to deliver a strike brigade .
by SW1
17 Aug 2019, 09:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

There is zero chance of a lhd when the two carriers have been bought and there is barely the aviation assets available to fill half of one regularly. Defence planning assumptions for what there worth indicates a maximum effort one off where everything else stops at about or slightly smaller than ope...
by SW1
16 Aug 2019, 11:08
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 1740
Views: 116580
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bae-advances-typhoon-training-upgrade-460293/ BAE Systems is advancing work on a new synthetic training capability that will be employed by the UK Royal Air Force’s Eurofighter Typhoon squadrons in less than two years. Scheduled to achieve initial operating...
by SW1
15 Aug 2019, 21:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

was going off what Donald proposed of 6 Mk2 Bays so looking beyond the current bays and Albion’s. Yeah but there’s no money for new ships especially especially when one is mothballed. I’d say the gulf isn’t a long term priority and next to no uk trade has been affected by Iran. There is freedom of ...
by SW1
15 Aug 2019, 18:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

In the gulf do you believe mcm can be conducted by the off board system operating from shore ? IMO I don’t think this could be done so intern you’d still need a new Bay there st all times to be the Mother Ship. In the Caribbean it could under take all the roles you’ve mentioned but the vessel it’s ...
by SW1
15 Aug 2019, 15:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120559
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Numbers due to the fact that you’d need 1 in the gulf at all times for mcm, 1 for NATO standing mcm and one the Caribbean for aid. That’s all before taking into account any amphibious ops or literal work. Then there’s other unmanned work that will come down the line and mcm around the UK. Is this n...
by SW1
11 Aug 2019, 11:22
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 1740
Views: 116580
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

I believe the common launcher was cleared as part of the p3e upgrade.
by SW1
10 Aug 2019, 11:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)
Replies: 317
Views: 30861
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Bay Class Landing Ship Dock (LSD (A)) (RFA)

Xav posted on the US thread but thought While not directly related to a bay the US did conduct a similar test with one earlier this year both ships have a number of things in common and maybe an indicator of a ship configuration that enables best operations of such systems. https://www.navalnews.com...
by SW1
10 Aug 2019, 09:42
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 1740
Views: 116580
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

https://www.c4isrnet.com/global/europe/2019/08/08/royal-air-force-typhoon-jets-to-receive-key-sensor-upgrade/ WARTON — With a complex weapons integration program squared away, giving Royal Air Force Typhoon jets more punch, key sensors on the jet could see an upgrade. The RAF’s test and evaluation s...
by SW1
09 Aug 2019, 21:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486708
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

SW1 , agree with a lot of what you say, but please god not the following. deleting 2 type 45 It would be criminal to ditch these modern warships, especially as part of their role needs to expand into BMD. I’d argue also that part of strategy for the RN needs to examine what the RAF is proposing aro...
by SW1
09 Aug 2019, 20:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486708
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Priorities have to match resources, I would start with doing less with less. I think I would much prefer doing more with more. Either more money turns up or the wheels come off of the bus and that would be politically unsustainable at present. Recent highlighting of the embarrassingly small size of...
by SW1
09 Aug 2019, 19:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5973
Views: 310979
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-49299585 The firm behind the Ferguson shipyard in Port Glasgow has begun the process of going into administration. Ferguson Marine Engineering directors are expected to serve notice of their intent to go into administration by the end of next ...
by SW1
09 Aug 2019, 18:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486708
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Which programmes are you proposing to remove? Well we got here by ordering lots of stuff in sdsr15 that was the issue against “efficiency” targets that couldn’t be meet and optimistic program costing. Priorities have to match resources, I would start with doing less with less. So operations for the...
by SW1
09 Aug 2019, 09:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486708
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Old RN wrote:Vasily Bykov Corvette


Do they carry such or simply proposed possible future upgrades
by SW1
09 Aug 2019, 07:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486708
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

but recent pictures of HMS Forth escorting the Russian Vasily Bykov Corvette should remind us That despite the bluster Russia is still only building new OPVs. Or in other word HMS Forth is shadowing her Russian equivalent. As again recent reports have shown the defence budgets needs to rise by a mi...
by SW1
06 Aug 2019, 19:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5973
Views: 310979
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

LONDON — The Northern Irish shipyard that built the Titanic ceased business Aug. 5, and its part in a bid to build a new class of the general-purpose frigate for the British Royal Navy appears to have sunk with it. Harland and Wolff was the lead U.K. yard in a proposal by German-based warship compan...

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