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by Voldemort
22 Sep 2019, 20:04
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Stal wrote:At least RCH is fully automated, unlike K9, and the Nowegians don't care about a high fuel consumption (probably between 4 to 5 litres per mile). It helps if you have oilrigs....


Is it "automatically" better or maybe it's just a preference? Pun intended.
by Voldemort
22 Sep 2019, 17:44
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Voldemort wrote:48 for 150M€, have to like


What :o ; three times as much as per v good Leo2s, per piece? (Ok, they were [a little] used, too.)


Yeah, about three times. At the time it was buyers market and Dutch wanted get rid of their Leos so they were cheap as dirt.
by Voldemort
22 Sep 2019, 15:41
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Voldemort wrote:Norway bought 24 K9s and 6 K10s for 215 MUSD


Did Finland get a sneaky volume discount ;) (though officially the deals were not "bundled")?


The thing is Finland bought used ones and Norway new ones. 48 for 150M€, have to like.
by Voldemort
22 Sep 2019, 09:35
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Stal wrote:Jake1992, I had the info at DSEI


Holy shit! Norway bought 24 K9s and 6 K10s for 215 MUSD with option for 24 more K9s.
by Voldemort
21 Sep 2019, 07:41
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I know this is pretty far reached but light rocket launchers, like LAR-160? 26x 160mm prefragmented rockets, 12-45km range, all rockets in under 60 sec, ability to fire GPS guided rockets, reloading in 5 minutes.

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3280.html
by Voldemort
20 Sep 2019, 06:45
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

ArmChairCivvy wrote:I guess you answered the question, then?


Guess I did then. The original question just seemed a bit open ended. Any type of infantry battalion should have organic heavy mortars for firesupport, the type of chassis will change.
by Voldemort
20 Sep 2019, 06:15
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

ArmChairCivvy wrote:I guess you mean AI (or Strike, if wheeled)... not just any old infantry? Sure , they could be supported by assigning such (but not organic, would be a mismatch)


Why would it be a mismatch? Sure, a regular infantry battalion is ill-equipped to support and maintain a tracked mortar plattform.
by Voldemort
11 Sep 2019, 09:07
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 62151
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

jimthelad wrote:totally agree, but if we could lose the 1.5kg the Finns seem to have done then perfection becomes deified!!!!


We have done what now? Finland uses PKM.
by Voldemort
01 Sep 2019, 15:01
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 62151
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

In Starbucks the sizes are apparently "Short", "Tall", and "Grande" but in plain English you could still describe them as small, medium and large. The point was that a 60mm mortar is not in the same category as an 81mm mortar. Yes, it was just "*adjusts glasses* I...
by Voldemort
01 Sep 2019, 13:03
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 62151
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

prefragmented casing might be as effective. In addition the versatility of rounds on the market far eclipses the 81mm. I tried to find more recent articles on debate but they all cite the original and seem to take it forward. But then we're comparing apples and oranges, not apples and apples. Same ...
by Voldemort
01 Sep 2019, 11:36
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 62151
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

I am not trying to be confrontational and send this thread into the fantasy arguments that seem to dog other parts of the forum BUT: The days of man packing mortar tubes and rounds are over. In the 'fight fast, fight dispersed' mentality especially against numerically superior forces then you have ...
by Voldemort
01 Sep 2019, 10:42
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 863
Views: 62151
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

Yes but only makes sense if we move to the 120 mm mortar for Coy, Bn, and mechanised units and issue this at Plt level as a 2 man fire team attached to the standard 3 x 8 +4 Plt from the heavy support coy. Otherwise we have 2 light mortars (81mm , 60mm) with overlapping roles. Also, if we switch to...
by Voldemort
18 Jul 2019, 09:33
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

My sort of dream team Strike artillery: 2-3x turntable 120mm mortars per coy 6-9x turntable mortars per Bn, not a platoon but a mortar company with loggy platoon 18-24x turreted 155mm, akin to G6. Artillery battalion with all the whistles and bells and first and foremost logistical battery!! You can...
by Voldemort
17 Jul 2019, 06:41
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Yes, support teams have to rest and rearm, but are they on the same cycle as the rifle companies? Keep the support at a higher level and you can attach to lower level or come together for more concentrated effect Disperse the teams throughout the rifle companies and you can’t redeploy them en masse...
by Voldemort
16 Jul 2019, 06:17
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I’m not sure about this company level business, when you can concentrate at battalion for training purposes then attach to sub units as required As a commander I'd rather have my very own mortars that attend battalion's common mortar training every now and then but spend most of the time with the c...
by Voldemort
15 Jul 2019, 12:05
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

IMHO, 60 mm for platoon/company level, 81 mm for battalion level and 120 mm for brigade level- light forces. On the other hand, especially in mechanised units, having a 120 mm in a battalion level would be a good choice. That is debateable. By brigade level light forces I assume you mean atleast 16...
by Voldemort
15 Jul 2019, 10:37
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

IMHO, 60 mm for platoon/company level, 81 mm for battalion level and 120 mm for brigade level- light forces. On the other hand, especially in mechanised units, having a 120 mm in a battalion level would be a good choice. That is debateable. By brigade level light forces I assume you mean atleast 16...
by Voldemort
15 Jul 2019, 05:43
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Obviously best case would be all four, 81-105-120-155. Finland is moving to 81-120-155 in the near future. Why keep the 81mm? We have 81mm at company level where they are the superior choice. Having firing units down to coy level we have much better ability to support combat in large area versus ha...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 20:18
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I don't think there's anyone on this planet could legitimately look at the Royal Artillery's capabilities right now and say with any sanity that sticking to just 81mm and 105mm is the best way forward. One look at Ukraine will evaporate that thinking in an instant. I would say it depends on the con...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 19:09
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

RetroSicotte wrote:I don't think there's anyone on this planet could legitimately look at the Royal Artillery's capabilities right now and say with any sanity that sticking to just 81mm and 105mm is the best way forward.

One look at Ukraine will evaporate that thinking in an instant.


Amen brotha!
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 16:32
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

mr.fred wrote:Doesn’t having no guns, or guns with no ammunition, restrict your combat power and utility further?

With the mortars, when do they go from logistics hungry to excessively logistics hungry? What defines when they become excessive?


That depends on the situation.
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 13:42
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1259
Views: 83319
Location: Finland

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

while a turntable mortar may be cheaper, it is limited. A turret mounted mortar, such as NEMO, has advantages in that it can be used for direct fire as well, plus it’s under armour. Seems to me that’s more valuable for strike since they’re supposed to be moving around, isolated, in unsecured locati...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 13:40
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I’m sure that I’ve asked before, but why do we need this? Why do we need to encumber our light forces with bigger and heavier ordnance, and bigger and heavier logistics demands? Because of firepower and logistics go hand in hand? This must be a rhetorical question. Where is the gap in logistics? Is...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 13:03
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 127
Views: 9445
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

https://ukdefenceforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=376&p=93270#p93270 We need to make a step change in the weight of artillery we use with the 120mm Mortar replacing the 81mm weapon at Battalion level in most units and replacing the 105mm Light Gun with a highly mobile, possibly air transporta...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 12:57
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1259
Views: 83319
Location: Finland

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

while a turntable mortar may be cheaper, it is limited. A turret mounted mortar, such as NEMO, has advantages in that it can be used for direct fire as well, plus it’s under armour. Seems to me that’s more valuable for strike since they’re supposed to be moving around, isolated, in unsecured locati...

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