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by Voldemort
05 Jun 2019, 20:23
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 820
Views: 44420
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

One every soldiers' weapon that I think is somewhat underestimated is the humble Antioch hand grenade. Nowadays they come in all shapes, sizes and warheads. You got blast, frag, blastfrag, incendiary, modular. You can stack up modules to make a half a kilo blast grenade or have a small under 200gr f...
by Voldemort
27 May 2019, 16:48
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

155 K 83 used to have 25 liter chamber before the 1997 upgrade, I believe. Strange, then, that the latter (which is actually a different design rather than an upgrade) has had "blow up" problems when the former (please compare my piccie link from wiki; SADF to FDF SA guns... identical?) b...
by Voldemort
27 May 2019, 14:11
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

IIRC the SA[DF] guns have 25 liter chamber. Identical (err, in volume ;) ) to the ones in Finnish SA service... by any chance? There is a patent on this, available in the public domain... over and above "state secrets". Now, we could go into folklore, with what happened in the Indian fiel...
by Voldemort
26 May 2019, 13:59
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

Wonder why the copies that India have made of the South African Denel design (that was competing in one of the umpteen field gun competitions) keep blowing up... it is their 3rd "design" now, on the go - or trials, rather Most likely due to bad materiels or engineering otherwise. Also IIR...
by Voldemort
25 May 2019, 19:38
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

That’s what I was thinking say get the Boxer 155mm for part of the fleet then using the same gum module on a truck like what the archer uses as a cheaper option. The issues with the Boxer gum still needs to be addressed through, it’s low rate of fire only 6-8 RPM, it’s shorter range at 55km with ex...
by Voldemort
25 May 2019, 12:58
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

both the Archer and Boxer/155mm meet the above OK, which one then? Number of wheeled options available from East Europe like Aleksander or Zuzana. For me wheeled is the route we can go the question then is do we go pretty cheap ( archer ) with is limits in rounds capacity and protection or do we go...
by Voldemort
25 May 2019, 09:58
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:both the Archer and Boxer/155mm meet the above


OK, which one then?


Number of wheeled options available from East Europe like Aleksander or Zuzana.
by Voldemort
24 May 2019, 15:24
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

Both very good articles and really highlight the different attitude to Artillery between the UK and Finland. As pointed out there is a lot of closed terrain in Finland, due to the abundant forests, but that sort of terrain still allows for massed fore with basic HE shells upon a target. How do the ...
by Voldemort
24 May 2019, 08:55
Forum: British Army
Topic: 105mm L118 Light gun
Replies: 86
Views: 7102
Location: Finland

Re: 105mm L118 Light gun

As an alternative to being in the AS90 thread: L118 vs 120mm mortar. Quite why Lord Jim keeps insisting the two are equivalent I don’t know, as the light gun has twice (or more) the range of the mortar. They can fill the same niche or they can't, depends on the doctrine. They have different feature...
by Voldemort
24 May 2019, 08:22
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

I would be happy if the planned "Strike" Brigades (prefer to call them Mechanised) had integral Artillery support even if it was just a Regiment of 105mm Light Guns. At present their entire indirect fire support will come from the 16 SP 81mm Mortars on the Boxers and even that is not cert...
by Voldemort
24 May 2019, 05:22
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

was attempting to do the opposite of bragging when stating that we use 105mm Light Guns at Brigade level. I know, was just trying to tease Voldemort (we used to have two Finns here... where has to other one gone?) into giving a rationale why his country has a 122 mm battery as an organic asset with...
by Voldemort
22 May 2019, 09:43
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

Why, just because you say so? Why do rifled 120mm and L118 fill the same niche and what is that niche? From my POV they're all BG/Bn level weapons. None of them should be the sole source of firepower at brigade level organically. For Light forces such as Airborne, Air Mobile or Amphibious, the Rifl...
by Voldemort
22 May 2019, 06:51
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

Do L118 and 120mm mortar need to fill the same niche? Just asking for a friend. Heavy mortars for battalions and artillery for brigade, problem solved. If you are talking about a rifled 120mm Mortar then yes they do fill the same niche, but if you are referring to standard 120mm Mortars than yes th...
by Voldemort
21 May 2019, 21:51
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

The problem with saying that the L118 gives greater ranges artillery than say a rifled 120mm mortar (and the rifled bit is important) is that the range difference is not that great and both a greatly outranged by the artillery that they could possibly face with a peer opponent. Yes against a lesser...
by Voldemort
21 May 2019, 21:44
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

Basically all current high end SPGs are copies of each other, only the solutions made in chassis and turret differ. The guns are the same. The core remains.
by Voldemort
21 May 2019, 15:00
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 15621
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

Archer doesn't shoot any further than any other JBMOU 155/52cal guns. It's just a marketing gimmick and entirely ammo dependant. All JBMOU compliant guns can use JBMOU special ammo like Excalibur.
by Voldemort
06 May 2019, 18:05
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 255
Views: 19771
Location: Finland

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Frenchie wrote:Absolutely :thumbup: , although I do not know if this vehicle is small enough to be transported by C-130 :oops:

Sisu GTP then?
by Voldemort
06 May 2019, 15:43
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 255
Views: 19771
Location: Finland

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Look no further than Patria 6x6 then.
by Voldemort
16 Apr 2019, 14:33
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 820
Views: 44420
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

Lord Jim wrote:I do like how the Finns have organised things, it seems they have a set organisation, and transport is used when applicable


Organisation is set and transport is organic. Jägers in regional troops have either BVs, tractors or XAs as transport.
by Voldemort
16 Apr 2019, 12:01
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 820
Views: 44420
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

Suppression eats ammo at fearsome rate no matter what calibre. Suppression would only be used in an under fire extraction of personnel or in the final stage of a section assault. I think what we are referring to is covering fire, ie 'If i stick my head up I MIGHT get slotted' not 'Holy shit if you ...
by Voldemort
15 Apr 2019, 22:01
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 820
Views: 44420
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

In Finland all infantry are jägers. The most common type of infantry would be those in battlegroups. The BGs are over 2000 strong, jäger companies depending on whether they're mounted in XAs are 260-300 strong and have 3/4 jäger platoons each 40+ strong depending on vehicle type. Each platoon has c...
by Voldemort
15 Apr 2019, 21:35
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 820
Views: 44420
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

In Finland all infantry are jägers. The most common type of infantry would be those in battlegroups. The BGs are over 2000 strong, jäger companies depending on whether they're mounted in XAs are 260-300 strong and have 3/4 jäger platoons each 40+ strong depending on vehicle type. Each platoon has co...
by Voldemort
04 Apr 2019, 19:42
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 48
Views: 4253
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

It looks like they are casting the net wide with the ideal, on the understanding that they won’t get it, but judging the balance of what is offered. That said, some of it looks like a typo. 20 rounds per minute? That’s 1 tonne in shells alone. Over 10 minutes it’s more rounds than you’d be likely t...
by Voldemort
02 Mar 2019, 14:54
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 255
Views: 19771
Location: Finland

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

What UK needs is some proper Finnish hardware.
by Voldemort
12 Jan 2019, 18:56
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 820
Views: 44420
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

Lord Jim wrote:Thinking about it, I think the 50 Cal had a Firing Post with foldable legs called the M63


M2 has quite a bit slower RoF than NSV which makes it less suitable for AA.

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