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by Voldemort
18 Jul 2019, 09:33
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

My sort of dream team Strike artillery: 2-3x turntable 120mm mortars per coy 6-9x turntable mortars per Bn, not a platoon but a mortar company with loggy platoon 18-24x turreted 155mm, akin to G6. Artillery battalion with all the whistles and bells and first and foremost logistical battery!! You can...
by Voldemort
17 Jul 2019, 06:41
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Yes, support teams have to rest and rearm, but are they on the same cycle as the rifle companies? Keep the support at a higher level and you can attach to lower level or come together for more concentrated effect Disperse the teams throughout the rifle companies and you can’t redeploy them en masse...
by Voldemort
16 Jul 2019, 06:17
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I’m not sure about this company level business, when you can concentrate at battalion for training purposes then attach to sub units as required As a commander I'd rather have my very own mortars that attend battalion's common mortar training every now and then but spend most of the time with the c...
by Voldemort
15 Jul 2019, 12:05
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

IMHO, 60 mm for platoon/company level, 81 mm for battalion level and 120 mm for brigade level- light forces. On the other hand, especially in mechanised units, having a 120 mm in a battalion level would be a good choice. That is debateable. By brigade level light forces I assume you mean atleast 16...
by Voldemort
15 Jul 2019, 10:37
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

IMHO, 60 mm for platoon/company level, 81 mm for battalion level and 120 mm for brigade level- light forces. On the other hand, especially in mechanised units, having a 120 mm in a battalion level would be a good choice. That is debateable. By brigade level light forces I assume you mean atleast 16...
by Voldemort
15 Jul 2019, 05:43
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

Obviously best case would be all four, 81-105-120-155. Finland is moving to 81-120-155 in the near future. Why keep the 81mm? We have 81mm at company level where they are the superior choice. Having firing units down to coy level we have much better ability to support combat in large area versus ha...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 20:18
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I don't think there's anyone on this planet could legitimately look at the Royal Artillery's capabilities right now and say with any sanity that sticking to just 81mm and 105mm is the best way forward. One look at Ukraine will evaporate that thinking in an instant. I would say it depends on the con...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 19:09
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

RetroSicotte wrote:I don't think there's anyone on this planet could legitimately look at the Royal Artillery's capabilities right now and say with any sanity that sticking to just 81mm and 105mm is the best way forward.

One look at Ukraine will evaporate that thinking in an instant.


Amen brotha!
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 16:32
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

mr.fred wrote:Doesn’t having no guns, or guns with no ammunition, restrict your combat power and utility further?

With the mortars, when do they go from logistics hungry to excessively logistics hungry? What defines when they become excessive?


That depends on the situation.
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 13:42
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1251
Views: 67595
Location: Finland

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

while a turntable mortar may be cheaper, it is limited. A turret mounted mortar, such as NEMO, has advantages in that it can be used for direct fire as well, plus it’s under armour. Seems to me that’s more valuable for strike since they’re supposed to be moving around, isolated, in unsecured locati...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 13:40
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

I’m sure that I’ve asked before, but why do we need this? Why do we need to encumber our light forces with bigger and heavier ordnance, and bigger and heavier logistics demands? Because of firepower and logistics go hand in hand? This must be a rhetorical question. Where is the gap in logistics? Is...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 13:03
Forum: British Army
Topic: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments
Replies: 78
Views: 5421
Location: Finland

Re: Royal Artillery/Royal Horse Artillery future developments

https://ukdefenceforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=376&p=93270#p93270 We need to make a step change in the weight of artillery we use with the 120mm Mortar replacing the 81mm weapon at Battalion level in most units and replacing the 105mm Light Gun with a highly mobile, possibly air transporta...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 12:57
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1251
Views: 67595
Location: Finland

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

while a turntable mortar may be cheaper, it is limited. A turret mounted mortar, such as NEMO, has advantages in that it can be used for direct fire as well, plus it’s under armour. Seems to me that’s more valuable for strike since they’re supposed to be moving around, isolated, in unsecured locati...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 12:41
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1251
Views: 67595
Location: Finland

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Agreed, the default should be a simple turntable mortar, ideally 120mm being vehicle mounted. This is what I strongly believe the UK should be looking at, retaining the 81mm for light forces, but even they could have a vehicle mounted 120mm weapon using the JLTV for example or the Viking in the cas...
by Voldemort
14 Jul 2019, 10:49
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1251
Views: 67595
Location: Finland

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Well the video isn't the best but it does give a good idea of what is out there regarding 81mm and 120mm mortars that could be mounted on the Boxer or even the MRV(P)/JLTV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK1yUjmdv50 Obviously the Russian systems are more an example of what the opposition could be ...
by Voldemort
05 Jun 2019, 20:23
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 824
Views: 49030
Location: Finland

Re: Section infantry weapons

One every soldiers' weapon that I think is somewhat underestimated is the humble Antioch hand grenade. Nowadays they come in all shapes, sizes and warheads. You got blast, frag, blastfrag, incendiary, modular. You can stack up modules to make a half a kilo blast grenade or have a small under 200gr f...
by Voldemort
27 May 2019, 16:48
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 17553
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

155 K 83 used to have 25 liter chamber before the 1997 upgrade, I believe. Strange, then, that the latter (which is actually a different design rather than an upgrade) has had "blow up" problems when the former (please compare my piccie link from wiki; SADF to FDF SA guns... identical?) b...
by Voldemort
27 May 2019, 14:11
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 17553
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

IIRC the SA[DF] guns have 25 liter chamber. Identical (err, in volume ;) ) to the ones in Finnish SA service... by any chance? There is a patent on this, available in the public domain... over and above "state secrets". Now, we could go into folklore, with what happened in the Indian fiel...
by Voldemort
26 May 2019, 13:59
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 17553
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

Wonder why the copies that India have made of the South African Denel design (that was competing in one of the umpteen field gun competitions) keep blowing up... it is their 3rd "design" now, on the go - or trials, rather Most likely due to bad materiels or engineering otherwise. Also IIR...
by Voldemort
25 May 2019, 19:38
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 17553
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

That’s what I was thinking say get the Boxer 155mm for part of the fleet then using the same gum module on a truck like what the archer uses as a cheaper option. The issues with the Boxer gum still needs to be addressed through, it’s low rate of fire only 6-8 RPM, it’s shorter range at 55km with ex...
by Voldemort
25 May 2019, 12:58
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 17553
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

both the Archer and Boxer/155mm meet the above OK, which one then? Number of wheeled options available from East Europe like Aleksander or Zuzana. For me wheeled is the route we can go the question then is do we go pretty cheap ( archer ) with is limits in rounds capacity and protection or do we go...
by Voldemort
25 May 2019, 09:58
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 17553
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:both the Archer and Boxer/155mm meet the above


OK, which one then?


Number of wheeled options available from East Europe like Aleksander or Zuzana.
by Voldemort
24 May 2019, 15:24
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 17553
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

Both very good articles and really highlight the different attitude to Artillery between the UK and Finland. As pointed out there is a lot of closed terrain in Finland, due to the abundant forests, but that sort of terrain still allows for massed fore with basic HE shells upon a target. How do the ...
by Voldemort
24 May 2019, 08:55
Forum: British Army
Topic: 105mm L118 Light gun
Replies: 86
Views: 7901
Location: Finland

Re: 105mm L118 Light gun

As an alternative to being in the AS90 thread: L118 vs 120mm mortar. Quite why Lord Jim keeps insisting the two are equivalent I don’t know, as the light gun has twice (or more) the range of the mortar. They can fill the same niche or they can't, depends on the doctrine. They have different feature...
by Voldemort
24 May 2019, 08:22
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 17553
Location: Finland

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

I would be happy if the planned "Strike" Brigades (prefer to call them Mechanised) had integral Artillery support even if it was just a Regiment of 105mm Light Guns. At present their entire indirect fire support will come from the 16 SP 81mm Mortars on the Boxers and even that is not cert...

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