History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

I fear you are right, because this comments on this thread seems to represent the wallcharts first requirements & strategy last approach that got us in this shit in the first place. I don’t understand why are not jumping for joy at the news? Surely an extra 5x T26 in the North Atlantic is what ...

Why don’t we get Babcock to build the Norwegian T26s under license from BAE? That way we definitely will not be wasting more money on more T31s or T32s. Never going to happen, What is more likely, much to your annoyance, is that T31 B2 goes ahead, keeps Babcock busy and could alleviate the shortfal...

SW1 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 18:21 The fleet will be looking more and more like the Australian one post review

If that happens then we really are screwed.

Why don’t we get Babcock to build the Norwegian T26s under license from BAE? That way we definitely will not be wasting more money on more T31s or T32s.

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

Ok, there'll be a ASW deficit, but don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough. And the RN eventually ends up with the 25 escorts it aspires to. This sums up my issue - why the push of numbers by accepting assets that can’t do the job properly, where no-one can explain the requirement and cann...

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

new guy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 15:13

Ron5 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 14:35
History 101

So you can't tell me how so?

The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no.

Difficult one, but based on 8 you are either cutting TAPS or two ASW escorts for the CSG. Is it not a small price to pay to have another 5x T26 in the North Atlantic? It’s only a one year delay on one hull before the drumbeat can adjust. Squeezing another CSG deployment out of one T23ASW would prob...

Doesn't it kind of depend on the days at sea for a new T26 vs the days at sea for the clapped out T23s theyre replacing. I mean 1 ship to NO might actually not be much of reduction in capability, even if narrowly measured (RN only) We may be able to scrap through with 7 keeping 3 deployed but it’s ...

Does it really matter? Those two type 26s will still be operating, in the same area, hunting the same enemy. The RNs CAPEX gets pushed to the right and the UK wins its largest naval export orderin decades. Also - do the Norwegians need a barely used tanker by any chance? Difficult one, but based on...

But no one can explain what priorities you are trying to address? So you can't define the priorities, but you want to build extremely expensive, dedicated platforms to handle them? Is that what you are saying? Eh? I have absolutely defined why we need 10 ASW and 10 AAW escorts - don’t try and turn ...

It’s a world away from what people get excited about for a cheap T31 pointless class. I think it's more a case that many of us realised the potential and believed that there was more to be got from the platform. If the current plans come to fruition, then the T31 will be an extremely potent surface...

tomuk wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 04:54 Which escorts are currently being side tracked to cover OPV/HADR?

Isn’t that exactly what people are so excited about? T31s replacing B2 Rivers?

An escort doesn't have to be a subhunter. T23 GP isn't. An GP escort like T31 can have kit fitted to make a contribution to the ASW hunt (as opposed to self protection) as others earlier have said but it's not a specialist. An escort does not have to be a sub hunted correct, but if the danger is su...

It did have an asw focus but then the Soviet navy was significantly orders of magnitude bigger and more competent than russias today. It was also being done by ships much more like a type 31/FDI type configuration than a type 26 or even a type 23. The majority of the Cold War ASW frigates were the ...

Gawd...still banging on about T31 as a 'light frigate' (with 12-24 CAMM). Yup, would be folly in the Middle East now. But I think the Admiralty got the memo a year or two back. Hence the move to Mk41s. If they display more common sense and find some trivial quididge they give all five 32 cells a la...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑14 Apr 2024, 19:23 How do you realistically commission more T26 within a decade?

By accelerating the build of the frigate factory at Govan and get other yards building blocks - more than possible if there is a will.

Oh my god he's had a revelation. T31 could be upgraded to provide AAW capability. Who knew? That was the whole point of going for T31, a real frigate, rather than a warmed over River OPV in Cutlass or Avenger. It provides a basic level of capability on delivery but provides a flexible capable platf...

That’s just your bias coming out, off it must be this because I like it. If your principally fighting Russia the answer at sea it will largely be our submarines and maritime patrol aircraft in the Atlantic. The Russian submarines beyond there ssbns are largely some modern ssks not ssns. Most of it ...

new guy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2024, 17:19

Jackstar wrote: ↑05 Nov 2023, 22:26 Appledore Shipyard looks to hire 100 new workers.
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-ne ... 00-8883493

Anybody know what the 3 RFA's are?

Aren’t they building parts of the FSSs?

No one else is doing ship based asw the way we are, they’re not all wrong nor is how we are doing it the only way or better, thats your bias. Australia has already scaled back Canada will like do so too when production contracts come to pass. ASW counter is increasing going back underwater The RN s...

It’s a question of priorities: 1- More P8, ideally increase to 16 2- Maximise T31 and build 8 3- More SSN, aim for 12, start asap 4- More T26 only if HMG commits to 3% GDP 5- T32 but not before mid/late 2030s In that order IMO In a perfect world the optimum escort mix is: • 12x AAW Destroyers (T45/...

That’s just your bias coming out, off it must be this because I like it. If your principally fighting Russia the answer at sea it will largely be our submarines and maritime patrol aircraft in the Atlantic. The Russian submarines beyond there ssbns are largely some modern ssks not ssns. Most of it ...