Cough. T31. To be built in multiple commercial yards, I think not. More like River class level. I didn't realise all the bulk carriers, container ships, and roro ferries Maersk built at Odense were for military customers. Sorry, I don’t understand your point? My point is that the design needs to be...

What? Are you going to make any proper contribution to this discussion? Are you? I directly asked a question many times now and all I get is deflection. I will ask it once more. What are these high priority tasks that a T31 or an increase in GP is required for? Again, just to be clear here are the ...

Cough. T31. To be built in multiple commercial yards, I think not. More like River class level. I didn't realise all the bulk carriers, container ships, and roro ferries Maersk built at Odense were for military customers. Sorry, I don’t understand your point? My point is that the design needs to be...

Cough. T31. To be built in multiple commercial yards, I think not. More like River class level. I didn't realise all the bulk carriers, container ships, and roro ferries Maersk built at Odense were for military customers. Sorry, I don’t understand your point? My point is that the design needs to be...

I love it Ron. I guess we should also have never built the Flower Class Corvette… The Flower Class had a purpose and met a priority requirement - that’s the difference What are these priorities and requirements you keep going on about that T31 doesn't meet? Just repeatedly saying priorities and req...

I love it Ron. I guess we should also have never built the Flower Class Corvette… The Flower Class had a purpose and met a priority requirement - that’s the difference What are these priorities and requirements you keep going on about that T31 doesn't meet? Just repeatedly saying priorities and req...

tomuk wrote: ↑16 Apr 2024, 20:52 Cough. T31.

To be built in multiple commercial yards, I think not. More like River class level.

There was loads of complete off-topic stuff about gas prices (I think - only skimmed them long enough to think WTF has this got to do with T32) I only noticed when I came back to try and quote a summary of T26 programme development woes that I put hear to find it and it wasn't here. Just asking bec...

I love it Ron. I guess we should also have never built the Flower Class Corvette… The Flower Class had a purpose and met a priority requirement - that’s the difference What are these priorities and requirements you keep going on about that T31 doesn't meet? Just repeatedly saying priorities and req...

I love it Ron. I guess we should also have never built the Flower Class Corvette… The Flower Class had a purpose and met a priority requirement - that’s the difference I was reading up about them recently. Interesting story. Designed to be built in commercial yards as the 'warship' ones didn't have...

I love it Ron. I guess we should also have never built the Flower Class Corvette… The Flower Class had a purpose and met a priority requirement - that’s the difference What are these priorities and requirements you keep going on about that T31 doesn't meet? Just repeatedly saying priorities and req...

I heard the shock that went though the place when they realised MOD weren't bluffing on T31 was massive. It was Phil Hammond who cracked the whip, he saw right through the BS first as Def Sec then he took that knowledge to Treasury. There was a crisis meeting on Astute in Downing Street in the earl...

SD67 wrote: ↑16 Apr 2024, 15:14 I love it Ron. I guess we should also have never built the Flower Class Corvette…

The Flower Class had a purpose and met a priority requirement - that’s the difference

The Navy have had patrol frigates before. T31 is just a T21 with longer legs and better growth margins. The Type 21 was a political choice caused by noise from the peanut gallery that private industry could do better and cheaper than the governments own naval architects. Turned out to be an expensi...

….poor choices…..we cannot just brush under the carpet, as we will make it again. Even if you don’t want to acknowledge it the T31 program has learned some of those lessons. If the budget isn’t blown now they will be exceptionally good value. The T32 is in danger of design drift without discipline ...

The £11bn for all 13 was let slip by an Admiral back in 2014. The only relevant thing now is what an additional batch would cost. Adjusted for inflation the cost of the last batch of 5 is now £920m. Just with average inflation that cost will rise by £30m-£40m per annum. They are a £1bn Frigate now ...

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

I fear you are right, because this comments on this thread seems to represent the wallcharts first requirements & strategy last approach that got us in this shit in the first place. I don’t understand why are not jumping for joy at the news? Surely an extra 5x T26 in the North Atlantic is what ...

Why don’t we get Babcock to build the Norwegian T26s under license from BAE? That way we definitely will not be wasting more money on more T31s or T32s. Never going to happen, What is more likely, much to your annoyance, is that T31 B2 goes ahead, keeps Babcock busy and could alleviate the shortfal...

SW1 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 18:21 The fleet will be looking more and more like the Australian one post review

If that happens then we really are screwed.

Why don’t we get Babcock to build the Norwegian T26s under license from BAE? That way we definitely will not be wasting more money on more T31s or T32s.

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

Ok, there'll be a ASW deficit, but don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough. And the RN eventually ends up with the 25 escorts it aspires to. This sums up my issue - why the push of numbers by accepting assets that can’t do the job properly, where no-one can explain the requirement and cann...

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

new guy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 15:13

Ron5 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 14:35
History 101

So you can't tell me how so?

The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no.