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by Repulse
15 Nov 2019, 12:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Seems that people are going back to an early 1980s position that the RMs primary role is to strengthen the Northern Flank from Russian aggression. Even if this was the case investing in OTH assets versus landing platforms to hide in the safety of the fjords and land the assets needed. For this role,...
by Repulse
14 Nov 2019, 20:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Tempest414, I think we are going to see some more radical changes than you are suggesting. I’m sure the 1,800 target if it remains will be a one off throw everything at it, rather than a business as usual capability per LSG.
by Repulse
13 Nov 2019, 20:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Following on from Lord Jim , I’m going to say something Ive been thinking a while probably controversial and in the fantasy category... I know it will be an unpopular view. The future RN/RFA does not need LSDs. Why? Well the new RM role is being geared up to focus on Raiding, from small scale up to ...
by Repulse
12 Nov 2019, 16:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Arming landing ships to avoid stretching the escort fleet will result in reduced number of escorts itself, further stretching the fleet. I take the point on a finite budget, but do not agree with this. The old Fearless LPDs used to have 16 SeaCat AAW missiles back in the day. Also, the whole “landi...
by Repulse
11 Nov 2019, 21:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator
Replies: 11
Views: 1216
Location: United Kingdom

Re: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator

I’m wondering if we need a RN small boat thread to capture things like PROJECT VAHANA, but thought I’d leave it here for now as it’s relevant to my last post. The link below has a very interesting overview of the planned RN work boats. https://www.ths.org.uk/documents/ths.org.uk/downloads/presentati...
by Repulse
11 Nov 2019, 20:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator
Replies: 11
Views: 1216
Location: United Kingdom

Re: NavyX - the Royal Navy’s new Autonomy and Lethality Accelerator

https://www.janes.com/article/92480/uk- ... capability

Good progress and nice to see the new work boats starting to come into service also. Wonder if you can fit one on the back of a B1 River?
by Repulse
10 Nov 2019, 22:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Lord Jim , lot’s of things in your comment I agree with. Having a larger number of smaller vessels is the right way to go IMO, not only allowing for a wider area for forward presence (coming together for a larger Cdo level op), but also to avoid putting all our eggs in fewer inevitably exposed plat...
by Repulse
10 Nov 2019, 13:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

One last thought, does anyone know if there has been any trials of a temporary shelter on the LPDs, like the Rudd UK ones on the Bays?
by Repulse
10 Nov 2019, 11:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

With about another 400 sailors (100 RFA and 300 RN) and a modest amount of money to lease two FLSS, the RN could actually have two Littoral Strike Groups, each made up of a LPD, LSD, FLSS and a Wave Tanker, whilst still leaving the third Bay still in the Gulf. When you stop and think about it, that ...
by Repulse
08 Nov 2019, 21:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 73641
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

- and the platform they are talking about is actually a bigger "Point"; hence they cannot be conversions of those four in use as of now According to Warship World, there are currently four 2nd hand Flensburger-Class up for sale. These seem to be the vessels of choice. Leevsten, which is o...
by Repulse
08 Nov 2019, 15:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 73641
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

ArmChairCivvy, are they? Thought they were still at base one, the concept stage?
by Repulse
08 Nov 2019, 10:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 734
Views: 73641
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

This months Warship World has a few interesting articles on LSSs and the future Commando Force - nothing new but ties up whats the line of thought. PPL (Prevail) are pushing hard in the background pitching either a charter or a rapid “wet lease” approach where they would finance, convert (a Flenabur...
by Repulse
07 Nov 2019, 21:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 80042
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

donald_of_tokyo wrote:Apparently, if ordered from UK shipyards, the FSS will need to reduce the requirement; only 2 hulls, and with smaller/simpler hull design.


2 hulls is ok till the early 2030s assuming RFA Victoria is kept IMO.
by Repulse
07 Nov 2019, 21:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 80042
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

A simple ship, like Lewis and Clark-class of US MSC will be good candidate. No sealift, no big aviation, not high speed. But, very good at ammunition and dry cargo replenishment. With the exception of speed (which should be similar to the Tide class) I have no problem with this. They should be sole...
by Repulse
05 Nov 2019, 22:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 80042
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Worrying as a delay will have impact, though maybe the pressure to build in the UK is increasing it may have a silver lining. ‪Royal Navy halts order for support ships as bidders could not meet budget https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/05/governments-shipbuilding-adviser-hits-contracts-bui...
by Repulse
05 Nov 2019, 20:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Maybe, but Argus is a totally different proposition to the Prevail MRV. It all depends on how RN want to structure the LSG and at present this is far from clear. Agreed, though (and I need to find the link) I’ve read that the RN has discussing three Vessel types that can act independently, but comb...
by Repulse
05 Nov 2019, 16:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

The 4 Merlin, 2 landing spot configuration always looked insufficient to me hence the reason why I have always suggested a 6 Merlin capacity and 3 landing spots. Like currently on RFA Argus - though historically I believe Argus had 5 spots. http://www.rfanostalgia.org/gallery3/var/albums/RFA%20EPHE...
by Repulse
04 Nov 2019, 20:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

serge750, dreaming of course, but the V-22 has twice the range of the Merlin (allowing the CVF more sea space) it could also do COD and AAR (for the F35Bs). Could be a game changer.
by Repulse
04 Nov 2019, 09:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218864
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

shark bait wrote:Scrapped mine-sweepers?


Possibly, with 8 crews manning 7 Sandown class MCMs (with a reduction to 6 hulls planned) and the loss of 2 Hunts would give around 4 crews. Not sure it would add up to the full 220 though.
by Repulse
03 Nov 2019, 16:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

trial both amphibs as company-level operations platforms until the FLSS arrives, following which they could revert to their traditional Brigade-level role I read the same, though personally if they achieve it I’d keep both LPDs in that role alongside the FLSSs and LSDs. This would allow the flexibl...
by Repulse
03 Nov 2019, 13:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Getting both LPDs active (the non-active's crew was upped from 14 to 40, based on the bad experiences from leaving it too 'idle' for too long a period) might be a stretch too far, though? Good question, a few thoughts going through my mind assuming the required manning cannot be found: - If reconfi...
by Repulse
03 Nov 2019, 08:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218864
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Interestingly, from the 1920’s to 1940’s the “Fisheries Protection Squadron” was the “ Fisheries Protection and Minesweeping Squadron“ - given that the future ships are going to be more multi-role perhaps a new broader remit would be warranted?
by Repulse
03 Nov 2019, 08:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3009
Views: 218864
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

ArmChairCivvy, would be surprised if they do not continue with the forward based model for the FIPV given it’s worked over the past 12 years. The only thing that would change it is if kit was added that could be maintained via a forward base - seems unlikely IMO.
by Repulse
03 Nov 2019, 07:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2522
Views: 171282
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Daily Express, but interesting read: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1199250/Royal-Marines-news-rebrand-elite-force “ The Ministry of Defence has already dedicated £35m to developing two new vessels, one to be based East of Suez and the other covering the Mediterranean, which are to be rolled out ...

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