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by Repulse
22 Apr 2019, 11:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Haven't you just described Leander ? Possibly, but my two concerns (and the reason why I describe it differently) are: - The Leander is being pitched as a “light Frigate” which gets interpreted as a Frigate with onboard ability for offensive action. This raises the requirement bar beyond what I env...
by Repulse
21 Apr 2019, 17:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)
Replies: 58
Views: 3799
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Archer Class Patrol & Training Vessel (PBR) (RN)

HMS Archer, HMS Explorer and HMS Exploit all in Falmouth this weekend. It's great to see these boats visible and something that the RN should do more of IMO - shame the Navy Day is no longer run. http://i67.tinypic.com/2upr5w6.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/2jcu3wn.jpg
by Repulse
21 Apr 2019, 17:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2645
Views: 103355
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Another pic of HMS Severn from earlier in the week.

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by Repulse
21 Apr 2019, 12:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26545
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

donald_of_tokyo , I think you are on the right lines, but if we include the LSDs and FLSSs as potential MCM motherships, why not maximise the 2 LPDs also? Appreciate their primary role will be at the core of the ARG with RMs onboard, but why not use the one in reserve also? If the RN went for anoth...
by Repulse
20 Apr 2019, 15:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Ever thought that the T31 budget of £250m/ ship was set that low, so that money from the shipbuilding budget could be moved elsewhere (by my "back of a fag packet" calculations, around £5-600m is still "unaccounted for" out of the original £11.4b T26 budget, maybe more if the £5...
by Repulse
20 Apr 2019, 10:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

SW1, you’ve summed up perfectly the current debate - I actually think this Multirole is ultimately what the RN is planning for the LSDs/FLSSs. I think they’ll be a Bay in the Gulf for a while yet, with the other two supporting HADR in the Caribbean and the unmanned vehicle support for the CSG.
by Repulse
20 Apr 2019, 09:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If we go with the A140 some people dream, my view is that there will not be any funds for the fancy UUV / USuV stuff we are talking about.
by Repulse
19 Apr 2019, 17:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

NickC , It’s a very good challenge; basically with the T26 and T35 order (outside of any MCM replacement) the surface warship budget will be used up till mid 2030s. Technology may not be that mature now, but can we really wait that long? Must admit, this is part of my rational to keeping the T31 si...
by Repulse
19 Apr 2019, 12:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Aren't you contradicting yourself? Sailing a T31 (or two) closer to the shoreline for NGFS would maintain the freedom of manoeuvre - well away - for the rest of the CSG. Not really, I see the option of a T31 as a Littoral Escort but more as adding a protective layer rather than an offensive capabil...
by Repulse
19 Apr 2019, 09:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

All the discussion on NGFS is also important and agree often forgotten. I personally don’t see the T31 as an answer to this question as their primary role is stated as freeing up the T45s/T26s for CSG duties. Also, adding a 4.5” gun seems to be a short term fudge and 5” gun too expensive for the env...
by Repulse
19 Apr 2019, 09:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I used to think that having a ASW Corvette would have been a good idea, but after reading the article from ThinPinStripedLine and the recent announcement on the XLUUV then this seems much less important. What is important is that these ships can act as part of this integrated multi-asset ASW model. ...
by Repulse
18 Apr 2019, 09:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I see no real operational need to add SSMs or Torpedo Tubes to a 2nd rate warship as standard. By doing so, you are planning to put your ship in harms way to use them, and my fear is that people think we can spend a lot less and still get a real warship. Maybe design for FFBNW for these systems, but...
by Repulse
17 Apr 2019, 18:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

No problem. That's what healthy debate is all about. It would be really boring if we agreed all the time Agreed :thumbup: - I think it demonstrates that the RN finds itself at a real crossroads, which way it goes now it will need to live with and make work for the next 30 years. Also I'm not sure h...
by Repulse
17 Apr 2019, 16:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

However if HMG refuses to build more T26's RN will have to build more Frigates of some description. Fourteen escorts is nowhere near enough no matter how capable and cutting edge they might be. I agree with the first bit and thrust that 14 are not enough, but we differ on the latter part - IMO oran...
by Repulse
17 Apr 2019, 16:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

With the Waves, RB1's, RB2's and the proposed FLSS vessels, RN has plenty of mass for low threat patrol duties. shark bait wrote: Poiuytrewq wrote: building three cheap EEZ patrol vessels now be a realistic option? For what? They just built 5 the Navy didn't want. I completely agree, I would arrang...
by Repulse
17 Apr 2019, 16:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Simply do nothing and allow numbers to reduce to 21 when the RB1's decommission You could, and that will be a RN that is based primarily in the North Atlantic with an occasional visit elsewhere. It’s an option, but not one I’d advocate. If an Arrowhead 140 with 12CAMM etc can be built for £250m the...
by Repulse
17 Apr 2019, 13:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The third option is rarely discussed but could be the most likely. To prevent further cuts could building three cheap EEZ patrol vessels now be a realistic option? I really hope not but it is a plausible outcome. Perhaps building three RB3's would be a compromise option. Without more cash it’s the ...
by Repulse
17 Apr 2019, 09:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The best outcome remains somehow squeezing another one or two T26s out That ship has already sailed, the cash is laid down and the welders are at work. Any change to that now is a massive effort, better to take the path of least resistance. Has it though, only the first three are ordered. What is s...
by Repulse
17 Apr 2019, 08:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

shark bait , agree it’s a politicians folly driven by the treasury, but I guess also the behaviour of BAE (who have to be fair pushed to it). The best outcome remains somehow squeezing another one or two T26s out with additional Patrol Sloops to fulfil the “Global Flagpole” role. Next would be a Ut...
by Repulse
16 Apr 2019, 21:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2645
Views: 103355
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

In Falmouth at the mo - HMS Severn coming along nicely.

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by Repulse
16 Apr 2019, 18:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Installing 24CAMM and 4 Harpoon is not OTT. My general rule is that if you want to lob missiles at someone be prepared to get some back - offensive ASuW capability provided by a Wildcat can be executed at distance and allows the ship to stay out of danger if ever needed. This is what I would rather...
by Repulse
16 Apr 2019, 09:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26545
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

shark bait, even Snatch Land rovers would have been okay if they’d been used as a light vehicle in low threat environments. What is dangerous in my view is taking money from the T26 budget which will be a key fighty bit of the RN to fund half arsed / compromise frigates.
by Repulse
16 Apr 2019, 09:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Poiuytrewq , The future war fighting capability of the RN will be either via a CSG or SSNs. The CSG will be an integrated CVF/T45/T26 group and yes T31/SSS/LPD/LSD/Tanker assets also. The T31e will not be a Singleton offensive warship like the T23 was - at best it will be used as a Littoral Escort ...
by Repulse
16 Apr 2019, 09:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9298
Views: 292425
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

As the Leander is ultimately an evolution from the River Class then Thailand has shown it is increasingly able to build these craft from BAE also. This is the crucial point - does the U.K. intend to export complete ships or design/build/support services & kit. Personally, I see the latter and th...
by Repulse
15 Apr 2019, 18:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5791
Views: 201876
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Poiuytrewq , yes - basically a Al Khareef with RN standards / systems plus a Merlin capable flight deck. Ideally a class of 8 to partner with the 8 OPVs. This would allow them to be forward based when needed, including escorting the FLSS but be more globe trotting than the relatively static OPVs wh...

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