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by Tempest414
20 Jul 2019, 11:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 137
Views: 11640
Location: France

Re: RN anti-ship missiles

I agree with what you say and RBS-15 is not going to happen I just like the idea that RBS-15 would allow sea and land attack out to 300 km it would be a big capability jump for T-45 and T-31
by Tempest414
19 Jul 2019, 10:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 10027
Views: 673515
Location: France

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Shame that the two Spanish Harriers that were at Yeovilton this year didn't drop in
by Tempest414
19 Jul 2019, 10:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2769
Views: 142366
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

when it comes to the Rivers I would like to see the five ships scaled for 50 LMM and 25 Starstreak giving each ship the capability to carry 15 missiles allowing them to have 5 ready missiles and 10 spare It was also good to note that the 5 round pannier used on the 30mm mount is the same 5 round pan...
by Tempest414
18 Jul 2019, 10:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Merlin helicopters
Replies: 397
Views: 31297
Location: France

Re: Merlin helicopters

great video would have been nice to see the Merlin's in green and white cam like the old Seakings . As a side I was looking at some pic's of Jaguars , Harriers and Tonkers in green & white , Gray & white cam always looked great
by Tempest414
18 Jul 2019, 07:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 687
Views: 51652
Location: France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

So Kent is being prepped to take over from Duncan later this yr, first operational outing for T23 with LMM no doubt, hence her dash Back to Portsmouth. Did she really dash back she only arrived home 2 days before Argus from the same deployment. also if Kent is to take over from Duncan later this ye...
by Tempest414
17 Jul 2019, 11:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 687
Views: 51652
Location: France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

shark bait wrote:What can the Mach 4 Starstreak hit that the Mach 1.5 LLM can't?

You'll find there is no difference because the guidance is the limiting effect, not the speed.


Time from launch to target is also a factor if was not why do we have mach 3 missile at all
by Tempest414
17 Jul 2019, 11:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 687
Views: 51652
Location: France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

Why does a patrol vessel need a mach 4 missile? IMHO, it probably doesn't. I'm just pointing out that your assertion about doubling the cost for a 20% increase in range is a bit reductive because of the increase in threats that it can engage due to the higher speed. Martlet's probably ideal for an ...
by Tempest414
17 Jul 2019, 08:22
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 687
Views: 51652
Location: France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

you are right no need for Starstreak on the T-23 , T-45, T-31 however on the Rivers could be a better for anti air as it is a Mach 4 missile capable of engaging fast and hard moving targets
by Tempest414
17 Jul 2019, 07:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

What the RN desperately needs is more funding to enable:- 1. Additional Personnel 2. Additional Escorts both AAW and ASW 3. Addition SSN 4. The removal of any artificial constraints that limit the at sea time for all vessels per year. Of course the problem could be that both T-45 & T-23 have ha...
by Tempest414
16 Jul 2019, 19:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Do we really need 5 T31? Yes I think we do need T-31 as the T-45's and T-23 ASW 's will bogged down with the Carrier group so the T-31s will be needed. Good to see the LMM tests If it goes into service on the fleet it will help the T-31s and Rivers. Say we get Leander's this ship with 110 crew Arti...
by Tempest414
16 Jul 2019, 10:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

however now we will have 8 t-26s capable of going anywhere tied to the carrier group and TAPS Which is exactly what the navy wanted and designed the type 26 accordingly No what they wanted was one class 13 ships capable of going anywhere what they will have is 8 ships tied to the carrier group and ...
by Tempest414
16 Jul 2019, 09:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1124
Views: 76835
Location: France

Re: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]

So on average each T45 deployed 80 days/22% of year, a good, bad or very indifferent record for a fleet of six ships? Understand USN Burkes ~135 days whose ships date back to the 90's and with the new FFG(X) USN aiming to more than double that figure. No reason given why MoD did not report differen...
by Tempest414
16 Jul 2019, 09:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

For this all goes back to what I said some time back which is that type 31 should have been a class of 6 Carrier group only ASW escort with a spec like so 130 x 18 meters top speed 30 knots crew 110 plus space for Helo crew 3D radar Merlin capable hangar and flight deck hull mounted and CAPTAS-4 son...
by Tempest414
14 Jul 2019, 19:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 687
Views: 51652
Location: France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

Busy weekend for the T-23s Kent returns home St Albans escorting a Chinese Destroyer in the English channel and Argyll set sail from port
by Tempest414
14 Jul 2019, 09:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

both A-140 and Leander last offering have been without Phalanx[/quote] Are they without Phalanx but FTR Phalanx or are they not able to receive Phalanx? I'd have thought (hoped) the former, and that Phalanx isnt being included in the offers becuase the RN will use it's pool of Phalanx to supply it a...
by Tempest414
13 Jul 2019, 15:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

-close-in defense specialist Leander-117 : 2x 57mm/2x 30mm+LMM/2x 20mm CIWS/SeaSentor torpedo defense/a Wildcat/4 boat bays/with frigate standard hull. Where do you see all that kit being fitted on a Leander . However a A-140 could have 1 x 76mm ,2 x 57mm or 40mm , 2 x Phalanx , 24 CAMM , 2 x 8 rou...
by Tempest414
13 Jul 2019, 15:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

dmereifield wrote:Why does it look like they wont get Phalanx?


both A-140 and Leander last offering have been without Phalanx
by Tempest414
13 Jul 2019, 12:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1124
Views: 76835
Location: France

Re: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]

So HMS Duncan is being deployed to the gulf to take over from Montrose so she can go in for maintenance and crew change
by Tempest414
13 Jul 2019, 10:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

4 x avenger and 12 x T26 ? 4 x avenger and 12 x T26 ? I don't think we will ever see a River B3 that looks like the Avenger concept I think if we see a B3 River it will be a River front end and a Khareef style rear end at bout 105 meters long As said I would like to the T-31s armed with 76mm and 40...
by Tempest414
12 Jul 2019, 19:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Interesting that the suggestion is to possibly increase T31's or the 'excellent OPV's'. There could be a number of good options here lets say we end up with a 120 meter Leander as the T-31 this could open the door to three options 1 ) more T-31's 2 ) after the 5 120 meter Leander's are built we cou...
by Tempest414
11 Jul 2019, 11:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 687
Views: 51652
Location: France

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

As a side the image of Grace 1 shows an Echo class was this used as a jump off point for the RM boarding of Grace 1
by Tempest414
11 Jul 2019, 11:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We should not kid our self that US is not pocking the nest hoping something will happen at will let them have pop. the big thing here is we only have one frigate on station forward deployed unless we are going to double crew her she will max out at 130 sea going days and even with extra crew will ma...
by Tempest414
11 Jul 2019, 09:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2769
Views: 142366
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Currently, River B2 provides - 2 "mission decks" in the waist, with a size of ~10x4.5 m, covered by 16t crane - 1 "mission deck or flight deck", with a size of ~21x13.6 m, on which 1/3 is covered by 16t crane. I guess this will work very nice as a "mission deck". May b...
by Tempest414
10 Jul 2019, 18:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 278479
Location: France

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I would agree this is a civil servant covering his ass as he is right to do until a winner is picked and the full brief is set i.e what kit if any will be ported over from the T-23s will old gun systems be used or new ones
by Tempest414
10 Jul 2019, 10:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 420521
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

For me Scotland would have a different view to the Irish for a start they have a lot more Islands and coast to protect and its location makes it more front and centre in any conflict so if I was to put a Scottish defence force together I would base it around a Marine Brigade back up a light armoured...

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