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by Tempest414
27 May 2020, 10:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1158
Views: 159530
Location: France

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

But there is no requirement for multi-mission sloops, which seem to be an invention of this board, or LSDs or LHD, and I'm sorry I'm not sure what SSS stands for. As Jake has said there will be a requirement to replace the Hunts , Sandown and Echo class from around 2028 and any ship that replaces t...
by Tempest414
27 May 2020, 07:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1158
Views: 159530
Location: France

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

If the HMG want to invest in the UK then as I have said time and again it can with a 1.1 billion per year over the next 30 years allowing for 15 x tier 1 escorts ( one very 2 years at 450 million per year ) 8 x tier 2 escorts ( one very 2 years at 200 million per year ) 16 x 95 meter multi mission s...
by Tempest414
25 May 2020, 08:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

As I have said time and again a good balance would be 6 x type 45 / replacement 8 x type 23/ 26 ASW 8 x type 31 global patrol frigate 16 x Venari 95 or a evolution of it this would allow the type 45 and 26 to get on with CEPP plus TAPS and the type 31 split 4 each side of Suez to get on with FRE , S...
by Tempest414
24 May 2020, 11:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I would agree on the surface it looks bad for the RN and really we should be starting to look at MHC but I really do think we will end up with something like 10 Venari or the evolution of it to replace the Hunt's Sandown's and Echo's . The Italian navy on paper is what the UK should be looking at an...
by Tempest414
23 May 2020, 16:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

ArmChairCivvy wrote:Would like to think so, but not sure we can conclude that. As only the space aft of the midship engines location is available to fit these payloads


Not so BAE have said that floor rails can be fitted in front on top and aft of the engines allowing a flexible lay out
by Tempest414
23 May 2020, 12:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

https://www.udt-global.com/__media/libraries/platform-design/102---Ewan-McCutcheon-Paper.pdf In the paper that Atlas delivered to UDT in 2019 in part 2.4 they concluded that Considering these available options and the current state of the art, we conclude that a medium sized USV (10m to 13m) with an...
by Tempest414
23 May 2020, 11:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

It is just a RHIB with robotic control and a small RMS attached The system is more than that. It's also a track-based mounting ssytem for other equipment. Just because it's only been demonstrated in one application doesn't mean that's all its capable of, as it has clearly been designed to allow the...
by Tempest414
23 May 2020, 10:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So yes, 9.5m class USV boat is coming. But no, none is for ASW nor MCM, at least till now. As I say hang on to pants Also I find it interesting that we bang on about type 31 not having a mission bay or boat bays that are to small however the navy has pick it it also had a opportunity to mandate it ...
by Tempest414
23 May 2020, 10:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3309
Views: 371746
Location: France

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

As I have said in the past Clyde should have been made the Nav training ship giving the navy a lot of training option including small deck training for helicopters and the 3 B1's left to get on with EEZ work
by Tempest414
22 May 2020, 17:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Most of the USVs now under development for MCM is 12m class (Thales, Atlas, Elbit). Thus, USV-MCM will be based on 12m class boats. There will be an ASW-module, as "one of the module kits" for them. MHC-hull will surely handle the 12m USV. T26 can handle it, as well. But, current T31 desi...
by Tempest414
22 May 2020, 11:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

it is also said by BAE it has a endurance of up to 10 days in patrol and 300 nm in pursuit mode could be interesting if there patrol speed is say 16 knots type 31 could operate say 3 behind the ships spread along 9 km's in a ASW mode or 3 up front in a mine sweep pattern
by Tempest414
22 May 2020, 09:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

so if the stay between the starboard doors could be removed it would be a 20 metre boat bay
by Tempest414
21 May 2020, 09:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Interestingly surface ships do much better within Equipment Plan2019, as from its £188.4billion planned spending 19.3 bn is thus allocated. Dividing that figure by ten (years)... this 19.3 is for new ships and running the fleet so of that say 2 billion a year only 500 to 600 million is for new ships
by Tempest414
21 May 2020, 08:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

No as I said way back in the day what is needed is a proper plan with a proper budget and for me this means 1.1 billion per year for the next 30 years for the surface fleet and again as said way back it should look something like this 450 million per year for 30 years to BAE to deliver 15 tier 1 esc...
by Tempest414
20 May 2020, 16:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Then, up-arming will mean the numbers of these low-end assets will also dramatically decrease (because of higher costs). Is this your point? NO SPEND MORE F'in MONEY the world has changed it is time to get on board or pack up and go home 2 % GDP is not working and it will never work this is fact an...
by Tempest414
20 May 2020, 11:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

as seen by Iran shooting down a US navy MQ-4C last year
by Tempest414
20 May 2020, 10:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Firstly the RN should not be this small in the first place and even a fleet of 24 escorts and 15 multi mission sloop's is for me below par for a global state like the UK. And the habit of cutting back and cutting again has become ingrained and it has to be broken I am all for simple stupid but when ...
by Tempest414
20 May 2020, 03:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

As I have said before going forward into the 2040's what the RN needs is a Escort / Multi mission fleet of 8 x AAW escorts 8 x ASW escorts 8 x GP escorts 12 x Muli-mission sloops = 36 ships I have to say that just because a PSV could do the job for MHC it should and for me I think what the RN needs ...
by Tempest414
19 May 2020, 12:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Wouldn’t a 30mm on the bow intrude on the forward work deck ? I don't think so a platform built just forward of the working deck could hold a 30mm with LMM without intruding on the working parts here 2 - defence, not just of it self with close in systems or point defence where needed but also so it...
by Tempest414
19 May 2020, 10:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

20mm is alright for close in self defence ( still odd we have them in service since the 30mm ) but wouldn’t be much good at defending the off board systems or the vessel it’s self in higher threat areas. I was thinking something along the lines of - 1 x 57mm 2 x 30mm Fit to receive SeaRam / Phalanx...
by Tempest414
18 May 2020, 18:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Jake1992 wrote:The problem there is they are not set up to allow armament to defend it’s self or it’s off board system along with the fact they are not designed with the role in mind.


I know it not a 40mm or higher but the Echo's do have 2 x 20mm plus miniguns and GPMG's they are not defenceless
by Tempest414
18 May 2020, 11:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

That being said, the Navy has some big combatants under contract that could be capable and could be affordable, so there are some positives depending how those variables turn out. In other words, the Navy should not be putting effort into new combatants until they've nailed the T31. I agree type 31...
by Tempest414
18 May 2020, 11:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

just think it wouldn’t make much difference in reducing the need for redesign. I don't see how keep every thing forward of the funnel as is aft of the funnel remove the hangar and flight deck and replace with a full width covered work deck leading on to a open working deck and put the flight deck o...
by Tempest414
18 May 2020, 09:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Jake1992 wrote:I suggested an evolved RB2 design for this and Temepest414 was suggesting and evolved Khareef design by the looks of it.


Correct you were putting forward a enlarged River class of 105 x 15 meters and I just think we already have a hull design that comes in three sizes 99 , 107, 117 by 14.6
by Tempest414
18 May 2020, 08:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11679
Views: 1076277
Location: France

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Iv been saying for a while that we should look to evolve the RB2 design in to a 3,000-3,500t 105m by 15m vessel for the MHPC role I would say move on from the River class hull to the 107 x 14.6 meter Leander hull as the Khareef class is already in the water and BAE has done work to rework the hull ...

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