What other policy you are talking about? I am simply pointing out that it has never been tolerated before so why is it being tolerated now? Are all cruise ships going to avoid Suez permanently now? If a ballistic missile slams into the side of a cruise ship with 5000 passengers onboard it will be a...

And this is my point LCX dose not move the dial they are to small to carry out the tasks you have listed I don’t agree with that but where I do agree is that the size of the replacements shouldn’t be dictated by the dimensions of the LCVP and LCU. Much depends on the Archer replacements and the fut...

Ron5 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 15:03 Nicholas Drummond appears to have removed his claim that the barrels will be made in the UK.

Unless the MoD starts ordering barrels in some decent quantities it’s difficult to see how UK barrel manufacturing would survive long term.

Use it or lose it.

I also wonder how well a Type 31 would have done in shooting down an incoming ballistic missile (see latest RN news). I also wonder how it has now become acceptable to fire ballistic missiles at commercial vessels and the only thing that is discussed is the success of shooting it down. It’s difficu...

Clearly not RN related but with the possible T26 export perhaps Babcock would show interest here.

The requirement for 10x large standard vessels may dovetail with the T32 program.

This is the bit I have a problem with the total under egging of Caiman 90 . Caiman 90 is 2 x faster than LCU-MK10 loaded and 4 x when Light and it could carry 30 ton more kit so its not just a bit faster it is a massive step change in ship to shore capability I am not under egging anything. I am si...

I would also say it looks nothing like LCX In which case we will have to agree to disagree. If you want a Littoral patrol boat design and build one and don't half ass about with SLV's This was a concept for the German navy base on PACSCAT but could be built on a Caiman hull form https://4.bp.blogsp...

This could be better news than the 2.5% uplift.

I think you are under egging Caiman-90 and over egging LCX Caiman-90) 30 x 7.7 meters , speed full load 22 knots , light 40 knots , range 500+ Nm's , Max Load 90 tons LCX ) 30 x 6.4 meters , speed full load 20 knots , light 35 knots , range 500 nm's , Max Load 65 tons Not at all. I am suggesting th...

That's not trying to be neat and tidy, that's trying to align to common goal. It’s not going to be neat and tidy for some time but that’s OK provided the end goal is clear from the outset. If 1st Division goes all-wheeled and 3rd Division goes tracked the logistics are hugely simplified. It’s a sim...

capacity it can carry, rather than space it occupies. apologies, presuming "LCX" refers to this: https://www.navylookout.com/ship-to-shore-new-solutions-for-getting-troops-onto-the-beach/ may be wrong here, drowning in RN codenames for things that never get to arrive before they're replac...

i don't understand this argument: I’m not arguing with anyone. It’s just my opinion. LCX can usefully replace LCVP (and add a lot more), but an LCU is a very different beast doing a very different job. It supplies throughput, an LCX does not. The LCX is a similar size to a LCU. How can it replace t...

So what dose a SLV offer that a Caiman 90 dose not ? The forward bridge offers no better sea keeping it might offer a little bit better protection from overspray what is to stop you fitting a flying bridge on a caiman 90 Firstly what are they for? Start there. Is it still Amphibious Assault? No one...

But if Caiman 90 offers all the same capability plus the ability to drive through given we are likely to do any OTH beech assault with Allis which would have deeper docks it could be still of use Does the Caiman 90 offer the same capabilities? I think not. A bridge forward design will have vastly s...

I agree to your points. But, all can also be done with Caimen-90, or french EDML. High speed LCM or LCU has some versality as a compact RORO ship. They absolutely can do it but is OTH beach assault going to be the principle use now or is patrolling the Littoral in these craft going to become the no...

I am not pushing LCX here. Just pointing out another attractive stern-ramp landing craft. The LCX solves a lot of problems. More than the Caiman90 IMO. The non amphibious assault versatility is also impressive. All kinds of modules could be fitted: Accommodation for the FCF, Medical, 120mm NEMO, GB...

There is more to it than just the unit price. If we consolidate the fleet around boxer we are benefitting from reduced logistics, training, servicing costs, there will also be more UK content from an industrial perspective. K9 and Archer would have been foreign orders with UK assembly, requiring be...

Timmymagic wrote: ↑24 Apr 2024, 11:56 Have to say I think Archer might be a better system, but BAE's industrial offer on it was fairly derisory in comparison to RCH155.

What’s the cost difference?

Is this another gold plated solution?

Boxer hull plus RCH155 module looks like it could have a very high unit price.

SW1 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2024, 21:06 Spend whatever the additional is, on people, infrastructure and munitions not equipment.

I think you will find that most of the minimal uplift will be going to Ukraine in military aid.

The devil will very much be in the detail.

Time will tell.

Ron5 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2024, 13:46 Not impressed

It’s an incredibly inefficient use of space especially with a 19m LOA.

Surely it should be either:

• 35Pax
• 24Pax plus 2x RHIBS
• 16Pax plus 4x MRIZR
• 12Pax plus 1x Viking.


Underwhelming.

Sunak expected to announce that UK will commit to 2.5% on Defence by 2030….. It would be borderline negligent if it wasn’t for the fact that it will be someone else in charge of drawing up the funding settlements anyway. It’s also another massive own goal by the conservatives. By not committing to ...

Great news.

https://www.forces.net/services/navy/ro ... -agamemnon

Unless MRSS has been substantially more developed than has been made public, I can't see any Gordon Brown style 'final act' with an iron clad contract to force the next government's hand. The £500m in the original article was interesting. Total speculation but used as a budget for a single “Littora...

Pretty clear that it’s another case of “when economic conditions allow” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/20/uk-iron-dome-must-be-more-capable-than-israel/. A British ‘Iron Dome’ would need to be even more sophisticated than Israel’s We must be clear-eyed about how we can defend the count...

I would have a mixture of land and sea based radar sites, though when tensions are high also assume a level of AEW aircraft in the air also. Would assume mobile launcher sites would be the most effective setup. Could additional E-7 have been part of the £10bn IAMDS proposal? Formulated properly IAM...