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by Poiuytrewq
05 Jul 2020, 23:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2841
Views: 348661
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Not good news if true. If the LCU's go surely the LPD's are next..... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/05/royal-marines-20000-troops-cut-make-way-space-cyber-war-leaked/ Text: Royal Marines and 20,000 troops cut to make way for space and cyber war in leaked spending review plans Lord Wes...
by Poiuytrewq
28 Jun 2020, 19:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 697752
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Oh puleaze Precisely.... ....what a pathetic attempt at re-writing history What a pathetic attempt at starting an argument.....I think you're trolling Ron. There was always going to be additional MoD costs to bring the ships into service. They were kept confidential to the Ministry, a fact noted by...
by Poiuytrewq
28 Jun 2020, 10:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 697752
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

This is the average cost per ship of designing, building, & getting into service a new class of modern frigate into the Royal Navy with everything that implies. This is exactly the point I am making Ron. RN and the UK taxpayer was originally promised five T31 Frigates for £1.25bn whilst reducin...
by Poiuytrewq
27 Jun 2020, 21:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 697752
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

So what would you do about it without rewinding the clock or spending money you haven't got? I am not proposing anything, simply commenting on the current state of play. Given the large percentage increase in budget it's entirely possible modest improvements could be made to the baseline spec as co...
by Poiuytrewq
27 Jun 2020, 18:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 697752
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

You are effing clueless if you think you can get a class of modern frigates bought and into service for less than 400 million each. Thanks Ron. I would agree completely if the T31's were to be configured as a 'modern frigate' but they aren't. Far from it in fact. They are Frigates in name only unle...
by Poiuytrewq
27 Jun 2020, 15:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6541
Views: 697752
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

.....now it is 2B GBP. At £400m a pop the T31's really need to be a highly capable GP Frigate......not just a long distance gunboat with a large growth margin capable of 30knts. They should really have a mk45, Harpoon (or equivalent), at least 24 CAMM, some form of hull mounted sonar and Captas 1 o...
by Poiuytrewq
27 Jun 2020, 10:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154940
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Interesting change of name Much better IMO :thumbup: I read the Bays comment as speculation rather than a certainty - though if they are trailing the concept then I’m sure they will be used alongside other RFAs like Argus. If this LRG concept is to become a reality in the next few years then the Ba...
by Poiuytrewq
27 Jun 2020, 07:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154940
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Interesting article in the Telegraph this morning. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/26/uks-future-commando-force-radical-lethal-new-unit-fight-threats/ Confirmation that 2 LRG's (not LSG's?) are to be be formed either side of Suez and at least initially using the Bays. Text: UK's Future ...
by Poiuytrewq
21 May 2020, 12:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/IMDEX-2019-ST-Engineering-Unveils-Vanguard-130-Multi-Role-Combatant-768x513.jpg I give you what the T31 could have been, the Vanguard 130. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/05/french-naval-industry-looks-at-frigate-program-drones-as-poten...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Mar 2020, 10:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1217
Views: 176616
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I have to tend to agree with this statement. The original FLSS concept was for 2 ships, one East of Suez the other West - having the ability to refuel forward based ships is I think a good one, and with the four Tides allocated to the CSG then this is then the death nail for the two Waves. I can se...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Mar 2020, 21:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1217
Views: 176616
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Agree. It is very bad decision RN contracted T31 BEFORE SDSR2020. Bad decision. The UK needs Frigates too. A balanced approach must be sought. MSS idea must have been done 5-6 years ago. Really depends on what the MSS concept evolves into. Too early to say yet. As for funding I would rather take th...
by Poiuytrewq
09 Mar 2020, 08:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3355
Views: 409471
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Not sure we need a frigate in the Falklands or the Caribbean, not all the time, anyway. Or Gibraltar and the Med for that matter. They might even be useful running a form of APT(S) up and down the West Coast of Africa to Simonstown. Plenty of roles that we need cheaper platforms for Apart from the ...
by Poiuytrewq
08 Mar 2020, 19:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3355
Views: 409471
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Tempest414 wrote:So at the end it said that all 5 B 2 B 2.5's will be forward deployed as forward presence operating ship
Filling in for Frigates that should have been built in the first place....
by Poiuytrewq
29 Feb 2020, 10:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 869
Views: 154940
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Tempest414 wrote:Would be interesting to see what the navy wanted for 300 million per ship or 400 million over the 200 million every one was walking about
Clearly at that price point it was to be a lot more than a converted Point.

An Enforcer derivative perhaps?
by Poiuytrewq
26 Feb 2020, 16:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The MoD as a whole, not just the RN needs to adjust its expectations ad aspirations to the resources it is likely to have. Hold that thought.... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/25/boris-johnson-signals-increase-defence-spending-launches-review/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Feb 2020, 09:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3355
Views: 409471
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

shark bait wrote:Compare it to a similar sized Spanish patrol vessel;
Yep, start with seakeeping ability....
by Poiuytrewq
15 Feb 2020, 19:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3355
Views: 409471
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

People say there is not enough fishery protection duty hulls. I am not sure here. The UK could double it's number of fisheries protection vessels and it still wouldn't be enough. Surveillance via drones could be a real game changer if the evidence gathered of illegal fishing led to a higher percent...
by Poiuytrewq
03 Feb 2020, 10:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If it happens, the Rosyth yard can survive until mid-2030s. Would it not be more sensible to build additional T31's for RN to maintain the drumbeat and optimise cost effectiveness rather scratch around the world for one or two export hulls? With the amount of RN and RFA vessels required in the next...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Jan 2020, 17:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

5,000t+ (Iver hull most likely) 2-3,000t (Probably stretched River) I think RN need both. Considering the cost deference between each option, if RN really is to increase vessel numbers it is highly likley that it will be with OPV's rather than Frigates IMO, although possibly based more on Leander t...
by Poiuytrewq
14 Dec 2019, 23:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3355
Views: 409471
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Mighty lightly armed for a Warship....
by Poiuytrewq
02 Dec 2019, 13:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

....are there any historic threads in this forum discussing what kind of capabilities would be required to counter Iran's speedboat flotilla? The A140 setup in the 'gun boat' configuration (57mm, 2x 40mm) would seem ideally suited IMO. Quad packed VLS Spear3 would be a major boost for the T31's and...
by Poiuytrewq
30 Nov 2019, 10:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Some interesting background here. https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/opinion-tripartite-naval-exercise-indication-shift/ An LSG widely distributed across the region and regularly operating in both the Indian Ocean and the west coast of Africa would make a big difference. A T31 forward ...
by Poiuytrewq
24 Nov 2019, 13:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11797
Views: 1188569
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

donald_of_tokyo wrote:I do not share to optimistic growing UK defense, sometimes discussed here, and this article looks more reflecting the real situation.
A welcome sense of perspective.
https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com ... fence.html
by Poiuytrewq
21 Nov 2019, 18:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1217
Views: 176616
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Well BMT and Navantia joined together to bid the contract. I guess that’s there choice but I don’t see why it should be an issue. I’ve never understood the obsession in the naval world to have everything designed and built exclusively in the UK, no other section does. Type 31 has imo been a welcome...

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