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by Poiuytrewq
01 Oct 2020, 14:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6612
Views: 849658
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

would have thought we would have ordered a couple more for trials It will be interesting to see how this 57mm/40mm combo works in the real world and how the CIWS capability compares with Phalanx. The 40mm's will also be potentially useful on the RFA's and OPV's going forward especially if with the ...
by Poiuytrewq
01 Oct 2020, 14:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4143
Views: 597826
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Who owns this infrastructure? Assets in Osborne, used for DDG build, was own by government and leased to ASC (the consortium for the build program), as I understand. In this case, who own this? I was under the impression that BAE invested in the infrastructure via ASC shipbuilding but maybe some of...
by Poiuytrewq
01 Oct 2020, 10:57
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4143
Views: 597826
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

This is what REAL investment looks like.
Very Impressive :clap:
by Poiuytrewq
30 Sep 2020, 16:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

ArmChairCivvy wrote: Built for stability; how do you beach it?
Beaching it is easy.... :D

Something along these lines, https://news.usni.org/2020/02/20/navy-r ... tics-ships
by Poiuytrewq
30 Sep 2020, 15:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Marines also looking at 30 new Light Amphibious Warship, 200 to 400 feet, displacement 1,000 to 8,000 tons, beachable platform with a maximum draft of 12 feet, for coastal waters, 40 sailors and embark at least 75 Marines and with 8,000 square feet of cargo space for weapons and supplies, 14 knots ...
by Poiuytrewq
30 Sep 2020, 03:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 12343
Views: 1852154
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

From the Telegraph: A couple of quotes from General Sir Mark Carleton-Smith, the head of the British Army speaking yesterday. Describing a more dynamic and active posture for the army in future years, General Carleton-Smith suggested RAF bases and the Royal Navy’s new aircraft carriers could provide...
by Poiuytrewq
28 Sep 2020, 18:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 12343
Views: 1852154
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Very interesting session here. https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1310575264448106497 https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1310582614231785475?s=20 https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1310584511139319811?s=20 https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1310590883457310721?s=20 https://twitter.co...
by Poiuytrewq
28 Sep 2020, 18:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 219692
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Three is officially a requirement. No surprise but will HMG fund it?
by Poiuytrewq
27 Sep 2020, 12:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The Littoral groups (lost track of what we are calling them today) will have to rely on Gavin Williamson when DS started the ball rolling with Littoral Strike Ships within Littoral Strike Groups which has now moved onto Littoral Support Ships within Littoral Response Groups. This appears to be subj...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Sep 2020, 12:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4143
Views: 597826
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Tempest414 wrote:I would say Bob the lone builder is doing a great job just think how fast it could be with 2 Bobs
A proper hive of activity!

When Babcock start churning the T31's it won't be a good look.
by Poiuytrewq
25 Sep 2020, 11:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 4143
Views: 597826
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

The snails pace continues....

by Poiuytrewq
23 Sep 2020, 19:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

10m plug in the middle is hardly complex, They are destined for the UK EEZ in a few years time so the hanger won't be necessary but the whole debacle must be used as the most perfect example of how not to do naval procurement. If the hanger was omitted to ensure 13 Frigates were retained I suppose ...
by Poiuytrewq
23 Sep 2020, 12:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 219692
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Presumably will be built in Spain and shipped to Northern Ireland for a photo op. IMO, here is the crucial phrase from the DS Ben Wallace MP, "We intend to encourage international partners to work alongside UK firms for the bid..." Here is his answer in full, "We have already started...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Sep 2020, 23:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

In this case, the "River B1-R" will be made of 3 hulls, and they will need - a hangar (for Wildcat), with Merlin capable flight deck. - good range and as low as possible crew size (say 50 onboard x1.5 = 75, as Tempest414-san suggests) - ~70 additional accommodation for disaster relief tea...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Sep 2020, 12:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So yes possibly more OPVs but perhaps not RN manned nor armed. A UK coastguard would be a great result but the overlap with the RNLI would be huge. Adding a few extra OPV's operated by RN with support from RNR would in all likelihood be vastly cheaper than setting up an entire UK coastguard structu...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Sep 2020, 12:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3611
Views: 503192
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

No it gets far more than just as helicopter, instead of trying to get one ship to do it all and the crew of an RFA plus an opv is probably still less than a frigate. yes but the over all cost would be 2 or 3 time as much It's a good idea and both vessels would compliment each other, especially on A...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Sep 2020, 10:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3611
Views: 503192
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Which seems to show a permanent, non-telescoping hangar, is too much for the length. As @Poiuytrewq indicated. They really need to be 103m-105m LOA to ensure they aren't compromised. I think they would make a nicely balanced vessel, perfect for low threat global patrol but the price has to be in th...
by Poiuytrewq
19 Sep 2020, 21:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So we would not have any OPVs in UK waters then? I really don't understand how you draw that conclusion from what I've written but the point I am trying to make is very simple. The UK currently has 8 OPV's, 3x RB1's and 5x RB2's. When the RB1's are decommissioned at least 3 of the RB2's will have t...
by Poiuytrewq
19 Sep 2020, 21:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Scimitar54 wrote:So are you saying that HMG would rather use the new T31s as UK EZ police vessels instead??? :mrgreen:

No
by Poiuytrewq
19 Sep 2020, 20:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12232
Views: 1474906
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

...the three oldest T23 GP frigates most at risk... If the cull stops at 3 it will be a good result. ...keeping the B1 Rivers has freed up the B2s to play a lot of their global role (albeit in a limited way) in the short term till the T31s turn up. Exactly but when the time comes will HMG really wa...
by Poiuytrewq
18 Sep 2020, 22:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6612
Views: 849658
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

is there something that fundamentally is stopping, at this stage, knocking thru.... Structurally, it's difficult to see any justification especially considering the relatively low amount of weight being supported by this space. the T-junction layout Due to the design of the A140 I can see no practi...
by Poiuytrewq
18 Sep 2020, 22:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6612
Views: 849658
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

It seems to be an empty space between the bays when viewing the video, why not open it up T26 style? Couldn't agree more. It's been a mystery to me since the A140 was unveiled. I really hope the mission spaces aren't being downgraded to make the T26 design look superior. Hopefully the recent change...
by Poiuytrewq
18 Sep 2020, 00:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3611
Views: 503192
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

ArmChairCivvy wrote:The 4 different flavours for the Bays in enhanced roles
- obviously we only have 3 of them
- but one or two of them becoming the interim homes for LSGs, allegedly, might focus the attention to the best suited variation
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by Poiuytrewq
17 Sep 2020, 22:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6612
Views: 849658
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I've always thought that the forward (midships) bay was the full width of the ship, Type 26 style, Again, can't post the visual analysis but look carefully at the graphics. https://www.arrowhead140.com/ Would bet that the dilemma has been solved (as per above; aren't the re gantry cranes with upto ...

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