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by Poiuytrewq
22 Apr 2019, 10:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

PAUL MARSAY wrote:Problem for me is I can see a role for lender , arrowhead and a river batch 3
How?
by Poiuytrewq
19 Apr 2019, 19:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 9736
Views: 519111
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Pongoglo wrote:It's also more than a remote possibility that it could be QE or PoW :oops:
When India order 40 or 50 F35b's I will start to get worried.

Until then.....

:thumbup:
by Poiuytrewq
19 Apr 2019, 19:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

or future proofing its options by going flexible, by going big? If they pick the A140 :) The Arrowhead140 is big but how flexible? Compared to Leander we haven't seen a lot of detail but the four boat bay's seem pretty cramped and there is no sign of a deck crane like Leander. The storage area unde...
by Poiuytrewq
19 Apr 2019, 14:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I used to think that having a ASW Corvette would have been a good idea, but after reading the article from ThinPinStripedLine and the recent announcement on the XLUUV then this seems much less important. The XLUUV could be the future but how long will it be before it is in widespread use with RN? I...
by Poiuytrewq
18 Apr 2019, 13:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Relevant to recent discussions. Written by a serving RN Warfare Officer this is worth a read. https://wavellroom.com/2019/03/14/royal-navys-design-flaws-sea-control-information-warfare/ Another thought provoking article on the UK's diminished ASW capability and possible solutions going forward. http...
by Poiuytrewq
18 Apr 2019, 12:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Rarely used ? Great overview of what's happened in the recent past but what's the future? I have been trying to make sense of why RN is persevering with the 4.5" Mk8 and I have concluded that they intend to use it with a VLS version of Spear 3. If the Mk8 can reach out to 25km+ and the Spear3 ...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Apr 2019, 20:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5791
Views: 201870
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

This was Babcocks competition to lose from the start but by shutting their only English yard at Appledore it certainly won't help I am reading on, but maybe the whole thing is about "rejuvenation" considering Arrow's overall length (close to its name) of 138.7m when HMS Scott (the biggest...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Apr 2019, 18:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

...disagree completely... No problem. That's what healthy debate is all about. It would be really boring if we agreed all the time :thumbup: This combined B1/B2/B3 fleet IMO would give the RN significant flexibility and options to tackle everything outside of major war fighting. I think you make a ...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Apr 2019, 16:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

You could, and that will be a RN that is based primarily in the North Atlantic with an occasional visit elsewhere. It’s an option, but not one I’d advocate. Completely agree but my main point is about facing up to the consequences of current planning. RN has managed to hit the 24 target but how wil...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Apr 2019, 15:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3669
Views: 156634
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

A bit more on the progress of HMS Glasgow from @SaveTheRoyalNavy.

Sometime in 2021, the structurally complete ship will be lowered into the water before she is towed down river for 6 more years(!) of fitting out & trials before joining the fleet in 2027

Absolutely bonkers :crazy:
by Poiuytrewq
17 Apr 2019, 14:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Without more cash it’s the only option. There is another option, it's even cheaper. Simply do nothing and allow numbers to reduce to 21 when the RB1's decommission. compromised frigates like the Arrowhead being pitched. If an Arrowhead 140 with 12CAMM etc can be built for £250m then there is no rea...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Apr 2019, 12:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 542
Views: 25665
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Can't get past the pay wall :( For years the Royal Navy has been arguing for the introduction of two littoral strike ships Doesn't sound like an entirely Gavin Williamson inspired idea then. Perhaps RN/RM want the capability and the DS wants to provide it but there is only enough money for 2 Point c...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Apr 2019, 09:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Has it though, only the first three are ordered. What is stopping them from order 6 or 7 in the second batch and working on a shorter drumbeat (e.g. 18 months rather than 24)? Nothing, if HMG finds the money BAE will soon find the capacity. The whole programme has been artificially slowed to a snai...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Apr 2019, 09:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

RN shall reduce the number of hull to 4, and order the ship builder to spend 1 hull unit-cost equivalent on "improving their design". From where we are today I think this could be the best outcome. By committing to a follow-on batch, HMG wouldn't really be dropping a hull as such. With th...
by Poiuytrewq
16 Apr 2019, 13:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 9736
Views: 519111
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Good progress.

Could a 3rd QEC now be a real possibility for India?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-a ... -agreement
by Poiuytrewq
16 Apr 2019, 13:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

In such a case, full set of Amphibious Group, with LPD, escorts, RFAs and even CV itself, will be sent. That's the theory but what if the CSG is deployed elsewhere and the rest of the T26's are busy with TAPS or refit etc. It's too thin for me I'm afraid. In my opinion, LSG will never deploy to suc...
by Poiuytrewq
16 Apr 2019, 12:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

This is the crucial point - does the U.K. intend to export complete ships or design/build/support services & kit. It is the crucial point. I don't think the UK needs to export any complete naval vessels, great if it happens but we have to be realistic. Commercial vessels are a completely differ...
by Poiuytrewq
16 Apr 2019, 08:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Way off topic so I've moved it across, Thanks Donald, I enjoyed reading your reply. "A basic Leander" is orders-of-magnitude more fighty than our Coast Guard OPVs. Even compared to US CG cutter, Leander is much more fighty for sure. True, but is it 'fighty' enough? Few other nations would ...
by Poiuytrewq
16 Apr 2019, 08:18
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Merlin helicopters
Replies: 392
Views: 23257
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Merlin helicopters

donald_of_tokyo wrote:It is SAR AW101, not ASW. But still, 25M GBP per unit looks very cheap. Is it new build ?
At €90m that's works out around £20m per unit or have I missed something?

Seems like a bargain if correct.
by Poiuytrewq
15 Apr 2019, 21:11
Forum: British Army
Topic: Section infantry weapons
Replies: 808
Views: 36258
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Section infantry weapons

They believe the current 5.56 ammo is capable of delivering precision fore out to 600m. Depends on your definition of precision. A 5.56 round over 300m in high wind is a lottery and even in windless conditions trying to maintain even 2 MOA at 600m is tough. The LSW makes life a bit easier with the ...
by Poiuytrewq
15 Apr 2019, 19:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 572
Views: 36754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

Ron5 wrote:
Naval technology is UK based.

PS the article was absurd.
Thanks Ron.
by Poiuytrewq
15 Apr 2019, 18:06
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26545
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

Order eight and the magic 24 number would be sorted. Think you're maths is out.... 6 T45, 8 T26 + 8 T31 = 22 Escorts Apologies for not being perfectly clear. I had in mind 6x T45's, 8x T26's, 8x T31's and two dedicated TAPS vessels. These dedicated TAPS vessels could be T26 or T31 based, whatever R...
by Poiuytrewq
15 Apr 2019, 17:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 578
Views: 26545
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

T31e is a fighting vessel If it ends up with a medium calibre gun and 12 CAMM and no HMS it will be more of a coastguard vessel than a credible frigate IMO. I think it would be fair to say that the T31 has the potential to be a fighting vessel, it all depends on the level of armament when it hits t...
by Poiuytrewq
15 Apr 2019, 16:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 572
Views: 36754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

Lord Jim wrote:It was an absolute mess until the American arrived.
Another good example of the importance of maintaining a sovereign ability to produce what the UK's needs when the UK needs it. Has the lesson been learned?
by Poiuytrewq
15 Apr 2019, 16:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9297
Views: 292409
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I am not a fan of the T-31e but as long as the chosen design is capable to doing the tasks it is intended to do and frees up the T-23 and T-26 when they arrive, to do the high end tasks I am willing to accept them. I wonder how many RN senior Officers are regretting going for the absolute Rolls Roy...

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