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by Poiuytrewq
22 Aug 2019, 19:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 163
Views: 14731
Location: United Kingdom

Re: RN anti-ship missiles

dmereifield wrote:trying to look on the bright side....
Love that positive thinking. I very much hope you are right and that I am completely wrong.
by Poiuytrewq
22 Aug 2019, 16:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RN anti-ship missiles
Replies: 163
Views: 14731
Location: United Kingdom

Re: RN anti-ship missiles

The article states that only 5 sets (for 5 ASW T23) are to be purchased...is that correct? Would be a move deserving of harsh criticism if true. Going from 19 AShM capable vessels to only 5 would be effectively a 75% reduction in the UK's AShM capability. Massive cut. Is this not just an admission ...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Aug 2019, 16:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3903
Views: 240044
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Pongoglo wrote:Anyone else having this prob or just me?
It's not just you....

Great link with some fantastically insightful comments at the bottom .
by Poiuytrewq
21 Aug 2019, 11:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 916
Views: 55750
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

We've got more strength in depth in auxiliaries than any other navy on earth...including the USN. The UK has 6 Fleet Oilers. The USNS has 15 Henry Kaiser Class... The UK has 3 Fleet Solid Support Ships. The USNS has 16 (14 Lewis and Clark, 2 Supply) and 2 are on the way out. No argument with the nu...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Aug 2019, 08:52
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 916
Views: 55750
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

FSS is critical to sustained high intensity operations So with such a limited number of FSS the easiest way to neutralise a British CSG is to sink or damage the either one or both of the FSS's? Thereby making the FSS one of the UK's highest value targets in a peer on peer or near peer conflict? Onc...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Aug 2019, 07:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 916
Views: 55750
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Having only two FSSS, does impose limits, but as long as they are both synced to the Carriers it shouldn't be an issue. The limitation being that the FSSS are only available for operation with the Carriers. Is one FSSS per CVTF enough? In other words, When one FSSS is in long refit, can RN conduct ...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Aug 2019, 07:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 588
Views: 48142
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Until new money is made available on a sustained basis, programmes like the FLSS need to be put in the nice to have category rather then made a high priority for immediate funding. That sounds like a very sensible approach but where does it leave the Royal Marines? For example, - The LPD's have no ...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Aug 2019, 16:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 588
Views: 48142
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Moved across. ....the point I’m making is we already have two platforms that when combined can already do what the FLSS is expected to do (and probably more), plus are assets that add to the war fighting capability of the RN; why do we need the FLSS? For exactly the reason that you suggest, namely i...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Aug 2019, 13:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 916
Views: 55750
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Lets not get carried away of that 400 EMF only 200 will be fighting troops the rest will be there for support when you take a Bay class it has a crew of 80 plus 350 troops = 430 doing the the same job less the helo support but as we have so few helos any way it will be hard to deploy more than 2 at...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Aug 2019, 12:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 916
Views: 55750
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I’d argue that just RFA Victoria paired with a Bay, already gives a solid core of a LSG (or HADR response group)... Potentially yes but the whole Littoral Strike Group concept is so vague at present it is impossible to say for sure. It depends on the scale of the ambition and at present we can only...
by Poiuytrewq
19 Aug 2019, 20:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 916
Views: 55750
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

...the immediate need was always the old Fort I’s so not surprised... Agreed, this was always the priority. ...still has 10years of life left... At least, probably more. ....I think has give good service as a platform EoS (could be more so if paired with a Bay). Absolutely and with the addition of ...
by Poiuytrewq
19 Aug 2019, 19:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486676
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Very relevant to recent discussions. Particularly like the analogy with the Batch 2 Rivers :thumbup: https://twitter.com/JohnHayward79/status/1163202692363227136?s=20 Very interesting analysis and strikes me as as being more realistic than ridiculous but will HMG fund it and can RN fix the manpower ...
by Poiuytrewq
19 Aug 2019, 19:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 916
Views: 55750
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

It's beginning to look more and more like the FSS order is going to get stuck on two. Probably because the political heat is getting turned up to have them built in the UK. Would such a weak government pick a fight by having them built abroad in the current climate? Especially in Spain of all place...
by Poiuytrewq
18 Aug 2019, 11:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120551
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

2 x Enforcer 200 meter x 28 meter capable of holding 400 troops and operating 6 Merlin's from 3 spots plus 2 LCU's from the dock 2 x Enforcer 160 meter x 28 meter capable of holding 300 troop and operating 2 Merlin's from 1 spot plus 2 LVCP's from davits and 2 LCU's from the dock 1 x LPH 220 meter ...
by Poiuytrewq
18 Aug 2019, 11:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120551
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

But would the RN want to spread operations and support costs across multiple platforms, when a large RFA could support as a reserve, transport for Army/RAF aviation assets and HADR. With two CVFs and a large RFA Aviation Support / Transport Ship the requirement for always being able to surge a CBG ...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Aug 2019, 20:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120551
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Why would PCRS end up under DIFD? Hospital Ship maybe, but Argus is not just a standard hospital ship - is see the PCRS replacement ultimately be modular spread over CVF/LPD/LSD/FSS assets. If Argus is decommissioned without direct replacement then the PCRS goes as well. DFID may yet fund a dedicat...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Aug 2019, 16:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120551
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

the RN probably wont even prioritise this until the late 2020's or even 2030's for replacement in 2035 or maybe later as is usually the case... Hence the reason for the super cheap FLSS. Unless more money shows up soon I think it's highly likley that a Serco type vessel will end up conducting the A...
by Poiuytrewq
16 Aug 2019, 11:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120551
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

I still don’t like the idea of being reliant on ally’s, yes work with them but to be reliant is just asking for problems. I don't like it either but with defence spending at its current levels I'm afraid we are going to have to get used to it more and more. The FLSS that has a secondary replenishme...
by Poiuytrewq
16 Aug 2019, 09:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120551
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Not sure. In amphibious operation, now (after PoW commission) RN can send, Prince of Wales as LPH only sometimes, in addition to 1 Albion and 2 Bays, at most. With my plan, up to 5x 150m (or 170m) LSD (1 in long refit) on surge, in addition to one LPH or PoW will be there. Big big improvement. Sorr...
by Poiuytrewq
15 Aug 2019, 11:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 2275
Views: 120551
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Moved across. Point-class is very simple and cheap (to operate) cargo ship, RoRo. Flo-Flo ship is more specialist and be expensive to operate. Thus, I think Point's replacement will be just a RoRo ship of the day. Maybe but I don't think the Points will be replaced like for like as well as adding tw...
by Poiuytrewq
15 Aug 2019, 09:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3903
Views: 240044
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Gabriele wrote:2 years to build those blocks there. Impressive... but not in the right way.
I agree, extremely impressive. Having to wait another 6 years will just be the icing on the cake....
by Poiuytrewq
14 Aug 2019, 09:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486676
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

ArmChairCivvy wrote:You could paint a hi-grade hospital (on a barge) white, drop it into the advertised location - as required by Treaties - and the grey part could sail on...
And still send DFID the bill?
by Poiuytrewq
14 Aug 2019, 09:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10149
Views: 486676
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Sending fact attack crafts (or small corvettes) on Flo-Flo ship, will look like this? Will this work also for RN, if RN were ever to build a small corvette? Not sure. But, anyway, interesting industrial solution it is. The Flo-Flo vessels are fantastically versatile and I expect we will see RN make...
by Poiuytrewq
13 Aug 2019, 14:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3903
Views: 240044
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Not convinced of the factual accuracy of this piece but the insinuation that New Zealand is lining up for an order of 3 Type 26's is very interesting.....if true. If only the T26's really could be 'dumbed down' to a £250m general purpose frigate. Little truth in that statement I suspect. https://www...

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