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by Poiuytrewq
21 May 2020, 12:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/IMDEX-2019-ST-Engineering-Unveils-Vanguard-130-Multi-Role-Combatant-768x513.jpg I give you what the T31 could have been, the Vanguard 130. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/05/french-naval-industry-looks-at-frigate-program-drones-as-poten...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Mar 2020, 10:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1182
Views: 161056
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I have to tend to agree with this statement. The original FLSS concept was for 2 ships, one East of Suez the other West - having the ability to refuel forward based ships is I think a good one, and with the four Tides allocated to the CSG then this is then the death nail for the two Waves. I can se...
by Poiuytrewq
20 Mar 2020, 21:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1182
Views: 161056
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Agree. It is very bad decision RN contracted T31 BEFORE SDSR2020. Bad decision. The UK needs Frigates too. A balanced approach must be sought. MSS idea must have been done 5-6 years ago. Really depends on what the MSS concept evolves into. Too early to say yet. As for funding I would rather take th...
by Poiuytrewq
09 Mar 2020, 08:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 373940
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Not sure we need a frigate in the Falklands or the Caribbean, not all the time, anyway. Or Gibraltar and the Med for that matter. They might even be useful running a form of APT(S) up and down the West Coast of Africa to Simonstown. Plenty of roles that we need cheaper platforms for Apart from the ...
by Poiuytrewq
08 Mar 2020, 19:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 373940
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Tempest414 wrote:So at the end it said that all 5 B 2 B 2.5's will be forward deployed as forward presence operating ship
Filling in for Frigates that should have been built in the first place....
by Poiuytrewq
29 Feb 2020, 10:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Littoral Strike Ships
Replies: 768
Views: 139286
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Littoral Strike Ships

Tempest414 wrote:Would be interesting to see what the navy wanted for 300 million per ship or 400 million over the 200 million every one was walking about
Clearly at that price point it was to be a lot more than a converted Point.

An Enforcer derivative perhaps?
by Poiuytrewq
26 Feb 2020, 16:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The MoD as a whole, not just the RN needs to adjust its expectations ad aspirations to the resources it is likely to have. Hold that thought.... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/25/boris-johnson-signals-increase-defence-spending-launches-review/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
by Poiuytrewq
25 Feb 2020, 09:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 373940
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

shark bait wrote:Compare it to a similar sized Spanish patrol vessel;
Yep, start with seakeeping ability....
by Poiuytrewq
15 Feb 2020, 19:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 373940
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

People say there is not enough fishery protection duty hulls. I am not sure here. The UK could double it's number of fisheries protection vessels and it still wouldn't be enough. Surveillance via drones could be a real game changer if the evidence gathered of illegal fishing led to a higher percent...
by Poiuytrewq
03 Feb 2020, 10:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If it happens, the Rosyth yard can survive until mid-2030s. Would it not be more sensible to build additional T31's for RN to maintain the drumbeat and optimise cost effectiveness rather scratch around the world for one or two export hulls? With the amount of RN and RFA vessels required in the next...
by Poiuytrewq
22 Jan 2020, 17:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

5,000t+ (Iver hull most likely) 2-3,000t (Probably stretched River) I think RN need both. Considering the cost deference between each option, if RN really is to increase vessel numbers it is highly likley that it will be with OPV's rather than Frigates IMO, although possibly based more on Leander t...
by Poiuytrewq
14 Dec 2019, 23:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3319
Views: 373940
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Mighty lightly armed for a Warship....
by Poiuytrewq
02 Dec 2019, 13:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

....are there any historic threads in this forum discussing what kind of capabilities would be required to counter Iran's speedboat flotilla? The A140 setup in the 'gun boat' configuration (57mm, 2x 40mm) would seem ideally suited IMO. Quad packed VLS Spear3 would be a major boost for the T31's and...
by Poiuytrewq
30 Nov 2019, 10:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Some interesting background here. https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/opinion-tripartite-naval-exercise-indication-shift/ An LSG widely distributed across the region and regularly operating in both the Indian Ocean and the west coast of Africa would make a big difference. A T31 forward ...
by Poiuytrewq
24 Nov 2019, 13:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

donald_of_tokyo wrote:I do not share to optimistic growing UK defense, sometimes discussed here, and this article looks more reflecting the real situation.
A welcome sense of perspective.
https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com ... fence.html
by Poiuytrewq
21 Nov 2019, 18:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1182
Views: 161056
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Well BMT and Navantia joined together to bid the contract. I guess that’s there choice but I don’t see why it should be an issue. I’ve never understood the obsession in the naval world to have everything designed and built exclusively in the UK, no other section does. Type 31 has imo been a welcome...
by Poiuytrewq
21 Nov 2019, 17:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1182
Views: 161056
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

In one sense I can see why the Navantia bid has merit after all isn’t there proposal based on a solid stores variant of the tide class tankers. If the RFA are happy with the tide class and know the design the commonality that basing the stores ship on the same design would surely be of benefit. In ...
by Poiuytrewq
19 Nov 2019, 19:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

....the fleet needs some redundancy in depth. Exactly. Current planning has very little strength in depth to the point where the loss of a small number of escorts or a SSS could mean a conflict lost. The decision was taken in 2010 and again in 2015 that the UK would no longer posess the capability ...
by Poiuytrewq
18 Nov 2019, 10:24
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I do. I am impressed with your optimism. Keep the faith :thumbup: I can see many good places a ship as armed as a modern corvette can work. How many places could a T23 GP potentially operate where a T31 won't be able to? These are far more important than making T31 a tier-1 escorts. If the UK wants...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Nov 2019, 20:00
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

What the heck are you talking about? They've just signed a contract with Babcocks for 5 ships at an average 250 mill each. You want to rip up that contract that's a mere two days old? No. Not at all. Do you really believe the five T31's are going to be built for £1.25bn? I don't and I suspect other...
by Poiuytrewq
17 Nov 2019, 14:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11685
Views: 1082963
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think the £2bn budget is simply a realistic estimate of what the programme will cost. An average price of £400m for each of the five T31's is still good value especially if they are configured at a credible level. With the contract for the first five signed, I would like to see HMG now commit to a...
by Poiuytrewq
15 Nov 2019, 17:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6471
Views: 639373
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Great news! Wasn't expecting this to be confirmed before the election is done and dusted. If £1.25bn is going to Babcock where is the other £750m going? This might just be a misprint (like the picture) but Forces Network is reporting that the T31 will have a 4D radar. Could this be NS200? https://ww...
by Poiuytrewq
08 Nov 2019, 08:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1182
Views: 161056
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Common sense prevails.... https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1192714622614290434?s=20 Here is the quote in full: ‘I’m working with a number of organisations, from Britannia (Maritime) Aid to Cammell Laird and to others in the maritime sector to really look at how we turbo-charge shipbuil...

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