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You would, in theory, need dock large enough for the carrier to be cut in two, the halves pulled apart to leave enough room for the new center block to be built in situ before pushing them all back together. The dock would also need to have enough infrastructure to support building a new block and a...

The Israelis missile numbers reflect the reality of fighting a semi-hot war and not the tokenism of the RN in only fitting 24 CAMM to the T31, a ship four times the size of the Sa'ar 5... 1: On the armement. First of all, all information to date shows T31 carries 12 CAMM, not 24. T31 is NOT intende...

As for the River B.2's the mistake was to not use some of that juicy TOBA money to make them look more like the BAE Avenger design...forget about the gun...or the space for CAMM. The real loss was the hangar, particularly in a future of unmanned systems. There wasn't enough time to make major chang...

ETH wrote:

Ron5 wrote:I don't think there is anywhere in the UK this could be done but I can't think of any reason why not.

What’s wrong with Rosyth?

Dock not long enough surely?

Just been having another thought experiment today (slow day) but could a qe class be lengthened by having a middle section inserted ,not saying it needs one some say are too big anyway but could it be done or just impossible now ? Thanks Yes, and its reasonably common in the civilian world. But...i...

Oh dear Ron clearly you are sticking your head in the sand there are a lot of system now being worked on that are in containers including unmanned systems , sonar systems , 120mm Nemo mortar system and even missiles There's a history of land weapon systems being put in or on boxes to go to sea. All...

Sure that's why there are sooo many weapons in a box systems in service with the navies of the world (rolls eyes).

I agree 90% there as you say build a box to put it in and we are there . Maybe it is the radar on the River B2's at we should look to upgrade to something like SAAB sea giraffe If you put it in a box, you can't fire it. If you cut holes in the box to fire it, all that nasty salt water comes in. Not...

This will bring a flood of comments https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14651188/navys-hms-queen-elizabeth-leak/ THE Navy’s flagship aircraft carrier has sprung a leak — just weeks before she sets off on her maiden round-the-world voyage. Thousands of gallons of salt water flooded the 65,000-ton HMS Quee...

topman wrote:

Ron5 wrote:

topman wrote:I wonder how much of all this will remain a marketing drawing.

A lot of countries are running lots of loyal wingman type programs so I think it's a pretty safe bet we'll be seeing them. Probably sooner rather than later.

On a UK aircraft carrier, we'll see I suppose.

Nearly forgot you were RAF.

shark bait wrote:

imperialman wrote:Note Vixen taking on AEW from Merlin.

Good to see theirs something pointing in that direction. AEW from Merlin is the biggest weakness in the carrier groups defence.

Don't hold your breath on that

topman wrote:I wonder how much of all this will remain a marketing drawing.

A lot of countries are running lots of loyal wingman type programs so I think it's a pretty safe bet we'll be seeing them. Probably sooner rather than later.

I understand SAMPSON has independent array (on the side?) for communicating with Aster? If so, no difference. I forgot if the CAMM and Aster uses the same radio-band for the data-link. If not, independent array is needed. If yes, software update may solve it. I was under the impression that the Sam...

Jdam wrote:Surely what ever option is chosen we are going to need an angled flight deck?

Nope.

They're painting an AW189 black. That's all.

By my estimation looking at the photo, the 6 cell VLS is approx 2m long excluding the flange. Comparing that to the 3 cell ExLS launcher, I get the following densities: 0.54 sq meters per missile for the 6 Cell and 0.18 for the ExLs. So if my crude math is close to be correct, the ExLs is 3 times as...

I saw I while ago that BAE were designing a cone or sphere shaped radar being one solid panel that was light enough to be placed up high like a rotating radar to replace Sampsons, its give the benefit of both the 360 cover of a solid panel while also the higher positioning for sea skimmers of a rot...

NickC wrote:I'm sure the Sampson has adequate capabilities as an effective radar for TBM, but wouldn't class it as a current state of the art radar.

Now there's a surprise

Software is the key differentiator in radar these days. The bit you can't use in Top Trumps.

We're rooting for you Philly. I'm sure we can rustle up a full load of passengers for your first boat trip round the harbor in a boat you've built. I'll pick up the tab for drinks being remote

Poiuytrewq wrote:as part a serious conflict

I'm pretty sure the RN equips itself for such a task

But as for T83 (back to the 'topic' :o ). We might need a 'command frigate' if the BMD update for the AAW destroyers (as suggested by the new member ETH; but without any link) were to go ahead from 2024 I have an image but cannot seem to figure out how to attach it. Most of us have given up on post...

The t45 investment was justified as a carrier (air power) replacement by claiming that the range bubble of the SAMs would be equally valid over land (covering the landed amphibious force) ... which of course was a blatant lie (the get the investment thru) Nice attempt at rewriting history but the d...

a SAMPSON BMD upgrade in 2024. Ehh :) WE really aspire to be back in the First League ... it is (so far) only a suggestion, though Developing ship-borne BMD has long been an aspiration of the Royal Navy, just never realised. The RN has shown Sampson successfully tracking BM during exercises with tr...

An excellent article on CAMM-ER with details and photos of the T26 & T31 VLS. Also shows some aerodynamic changes I've not see before. https://www.edrmagazine.eu/albatros-ng-naval-air-defence-system-detailed I do hope the T26's & T31's get that missile. As GFX, it shouldn't upset the T31 fix...

The major reason for the T45's high cost (633 million per), was the PAAMS system which compromised about one third of the cost. One Gordon Brown, village idiot, cancelled the program after 6 ships on the basis of cost. He used, and told parliament, much higher costs including ship and PAAMS R& ...