SW1 wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 21:55

Interesting exchange in congress

Gaetz not-so-hidden agenda is pro-Putin. Anything to weaken the F-35 program is in his sights. Slimeball. From my State too

So by late September this year we could be in the rather odd position of having 1160 odd F-35 built in total....but c170 being parked up and undelivered. 15% of the total built...And all 990 delivered to date are in need of that same TR-3 upgrade so that they can start down the upgrade path to Bloc...

I´ve been reading this thread with interest since Norway is contemplating buying five or six Type 26 frigates. We do have four decent but underarmed Nansen-class frigates that aren´t that old, but due to serious underfunding of the Norwegian navy they´ve never lived up to their potential. At one po...

Let’s not forget the inflation. Significant it is, especially from late 2022. If comparing cost figures, we need to “correct” them. It's extremely hard to calculate the inflation in defense procurement. Using the governments inflation rate that's calculated by tracking the cost of a basket of domes...

I'd have thought an upgunned T31 would be very useful for dealing with Houthi drones at the moment. So a job well fitted for current Type 23's? Domestic license build of a T26 - never gonna happen. Though Lister has floated the possibility of "Putting the partnership with Cammel on a more form...

Also, you are completely ignoring the threat today, let alone the future. Even with some of the unfunded bells and whistles people want to add to the GP T31 it will not be enough. These ships have been designed to run away gracefully, nothing more. I believe the correct term is "bravely run aw...

Two or three T31 for the same £1bn depending on how they are configured would add a lot more. Such a cheap T31, 330 GBP a pop, cannot do any good AAW. I am half a way between you two. I agree there is a clear need for 5 cheap GP frigates. But do not think 10 will be needed. If such money is there f...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 20:55 Refusing to upgrade the T31’s with the vague hope of extra T26 is foolish IMO.

Good thing I didn't say that then

PS still think that debugging a system on a deployed warship isn't the smartest idea around. After all, that was the approach taken with the Type 45 propulsion system. Saved oodles on money not testing it out onshore first. (Buff)Hoon must be very proud :roll: Type 45 propulsion system was tested o...

They knew they needed a new engine in 2006 for power management reasons, uk risk mitigation was the f136 power plant and 18 years later they are getting round to it. I thought a new engine is off the table and they've focusing on improvements to the current. Anyhoo, from this morning's Flight: Frus...

I agree with @Repulse almost 100% in his view of the Type 31. The T31 is the ultimate in political creations. It's purpose was to 1) take money out of the Defense budget 2) preserve Cameron's promise to build 13 frigates in Scotland 3) To continue the fake image that Cameron/Osborne weren't savagely...

My thoughts on the Type 31 is that the platform is flexible in nature, and they can become "multi-purpose" not "general-purpose" in the way they are used. I feel there are negative connotations around the term "general" and it has become something of a misnomer in rega...

I think it was interesting in that if a nation has the airborne assets, sensors and the nuclear submarines then the need for very high end asw surface vessels diminishes as no matter how good they are they are at a disadvantage to the submarine. That's the direction the US has gone. Plus, of course...

Hopefully this is relevant to Timmy's last comment. From Aviation Week. PS Bronk is a prize twit, totally in the pocket of US manufacturers. Drummond is ex-infantry. F-35 Office Targeting July For Long-Awaited Avionics Upgrade Brian Everstine April 16, 2024 The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) is now...

An interesting size comparison:

PS still think that debugging a system on a deployed warship isn't the smartest idea around. After all, that was the approach taken with the Type 45 propulsion system. Saved oodles on money not testing it out onshore first. (Buff)Hoon must be very proud :roll: Type 45 propulsion system was tested o...

The money saved in letting Norway buy a few of T26 B2 could be redirected to buying more F-35B's. Of course, very possible to make that trade off if the Navy owned the aircraft. Next to impossible with the RAF in the way.

We will have a smaller fleet of specialists and potiential a larger group of all rounders in the middle. No sure that’s adequate. If funding remains roughly static a more balanced approach is the likely outcome IMO. - 8x T45/T83 - 8x T26 - 8x T31/T32 The cruiser idea for makes little sense for mult...

BAE are already planning on significantly compressing build time once they move into the new shed. Incorrect. Lister is on record as saying the increased efficiency is to get the ships back on the original schedule. there may be an option to revive T32 as a T31 Batch 2 There is. All depends on how ...

History 101 So you can't tell me how so? The RN clearly wanted all 13, and there were rumours of a £11bn price tag, the Treasury said no. Yes but it was the navy who messed up the procurement as such that the price rose to that, out of the RN's budget, so if they did ask the treasury for more then ...

I thought the problem was that they couldn't be built long enough in that location due to some historically valuable buildings behind. Apologies - I'm not explaining very well. I'm not suggesting extending the original sheds (red outline), but covering the area (yellow outline) currently used for o...

new guy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 14:08

Ron5 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 13:59


Wrong!! It was the Treasury under Geo Osborne.

How so.

History 101

Markam wrote: ↑15 Apr 2024, 13:37 I live about 1.5 hours from Yokosuka but I am not so nimble until the weekend at the earliest.

Wonder when she leaves?

Swing by Donald's and give him a ride

Bit sad that a small country with a tiny navy is thinking of 5 top ASW frigates and the Royal Navy is only going to get 8.

Effectively Norway would be funding the 5x T26 that HMG refused to fund. Never thought of it that way. True! We've gone all around the houses to get back to where we should have been from day 1 with a modernised frigate factory pumping out 13 x T26s. Jeez we make life hard for ourselves Navy's faul...