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Tempest414 wrote:

Ron5 wrote:Isn't it amazing how quickly some people have come to accept the Type 31 is on a par with Type 23's, Type 45's & Type 26's when it comes to assessing capability.

Who has accepted that Type 31 is on a par with T-23 , 26 and 45

Baroness Goldie, Minister of State for Defence

dmereifield wrote:

RetroSicotte wrote:Given the Type 31 is an escort on paper only, it's going from 19 to 14 regardless anyway.

We don't know the final T31 spec, yet

Oh but I think we do, it's just some are still in denial

Given the Type 31 is an escort on paper only, it's going from 19 to 14 regardless anyway. Isn't it amazing how quickly some people have come to accept the Type 31 is on a par with Type 23's, Type 45's & Type 26's when it comes to assessing capability. "Look we're getting more escorts she c...

RetroSicotte wrote:Would love it, but honestly this coming SDSR I see more as "What will avoid being cut?" rather than as a shopping list.

I'd say they got ya just where they want ya

Don't know about the fire scout being expensive, it sure brings a lot to the table. Probably better justified on a type 26 or 31 tho.

Jensy wrote:Wonder how many Fairey Gannets are still knocking about....

One up the road from me at the Pima Aviation museum. The guides invariably describe it as the ugliest aircraft in the world. Stored outside, not pretty enough to be allowed in.

inch wrote:So are you proposing selling a carrier a good idea SW1?

Dumb question - he's RAF.

Except ExLs doesn't fit ESSM so that will always be filled with CAMM. (in answer to calculus) ExLS at present is a pure Sea Ceptor launch system. Some graphics showing other load outs are so dated they actually include NLOS...the most recent include RAM Blk.2, Nulka and Hellfire/JAGM. But none have...

calculus wrote:

Ron5 wrote:Except ExLs doesn't fit ESSM so that will always be filled with CAMM.

(in answer to calculus)

Of course. Could have as many as 128 ESSM in the 32 MK41 cells, and 24 CAMM in the 6 ExLS cells.

Huh? You said it could be an all ESSM fit. Never mind ...

Hope it's quicker this time.

ArmChairCivvy wrote:

Ron5 wrote:some. Extra equipment my a$$.

C'on Ron , that's the nature of 'lego ships' ... you add bit by bit (and it is cheaper during build).

Even cheaper not to buy the extra Legos (TM).

Bitch, bitch, bitch. At least it would have a point unlike current plans which seem to be focused on building a British F-35 at three times the price.

Ooooo yeah, I said it. The emperor has no clothes.

With both the T-26 and T-31 we need the hulls in the water before we start thinking of upgrades. I would love to see the remaining T-26 built to an improved design, leveraging some of the ideas that have come out of the Australian and Canadian competitions but not at the cost in numbers. The Navy h...

Except ExLs doesn't fit ESSM so that will always be filled with CAMM.

(in answer to calculus)

And coming soon to a theater near you: the Type 31 program, another program in exactly the same mold. Given to a company with zero experience in building military equipment (see Lockheed UK & tank turrets), to be built at a site with no facilities to build complex military hardware, with no wor...

PAUL MARSAY wrote:Now that we seem to be going to spend 400m per frigate , is the type31 now our future frigate in further batches ?

Less likely I would have thought. Nobody likes cost overruns.

Yeah that's all fine but what are those half ping pong balls on the side of the mast structure??

... and I wouldn't shoot off both sides of those missile canisters at the same time! Unless they are torpedo launchers

Seems like they are having the same issues we had with LITS back in the day. It also combined T/H/Tyamp and MJDI plus LITS, all brand new software on a brand new a/c. What could possibly go wrong? I note though it's still going to be used on board boats and Ops but not at your normal unit. That'll ...

Here's the other view ..

Did he ask what their plans needed to be cancelled to afford the 8 squadrons?

Bet it was stuff they didn't own.

Was it truly without a contest...? It is... a complex case. MRV-P got where it is today after dragging its feet for years as OUVS. Between having operated Panther (so having a decent idea of how the Iveco Lince is), having run a competition for the requirement eventually fullfilled by Foxhound and ...

JLTV didn't have a contest??? Say what? A very thorough, long lasting, extensive & expensive set of trials of real vehicles under public scrutiny and subject to legal challenge in case of unfairness Now tell me again about the "contests" that declared Panther, Ajax, Piranha, Warrior WS...

inch wrote:In what way MP's go boondoggles ron5 ,too what end , Wonder why the Indian folks who visited are having a visit for?

I fear you don't quite grasp the principle behind boondoggles.

I think its politically impossible, even if it were desirable to HMG (which I doubt very much is), to sell one of the carriers now People no doubt said the same about Nimrod mra4. Not comparable situations at all Just RAFman showing his true colors. Can't help themselves when it comes to the Navy a...

Lurid piccy of Dragonfire shooting down all before it. From the Telegraph this morning, not seen it before myself, apologies if others have.