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One of Babcock's Type 31 team members having a spot of bother building ships on time & money. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is the only team member that has any current ship building experience.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1155664/SNP-nationalise-shipyard-nicola-sturgeon

HMS Tirpitz

What "rubber cap" ? This one, at t = 6s to 7s. Mushroom hat been taken off prior to the test, and a "flat rubber cap" is shown. Surely the "mushroom" IS the rubber cap. No. Mushroom is removed BEFORE the CAMM ignition. Please carefully take a look. PS there was a photo...

donald_of_tokyo wrote:

shark bait wrote:What "rubber cap" ?

This one, at t = 6s to 7s.
Mushroom hat been taken off prior to the test, and a "flat rubber cap" is shown.

Surely the "mushroom" IS the rubber cap.

https://twitter.com/BAES_Maritime/status/1134086781530443779 Great info. - As Repulse-san says, 12 CAMM at bow, 12 CAMM amidship. - A 57 mm gun at bow, and 2x 30 mm guns aside the hangar. - no Phalanx CIWS - 2 small radomes on the mizzen mast is the CAMM data links? - ~1m extension astern on the fl...

Interesting development in the FFG(X) program that might have T26 implications So LM aren't doing the competitive design stage, but that doesn't stop them bidding for the final build contract, and they could bid the T26. Is that right? Except they've very clearly said they just want to stay in the ...

Interesting development in the FFG(X) program that might have T26 implications:

https://news.usni.org/2019/05/28/lockheed-martin-wont-submit-freedom-lcs-design-for-ffgx-contest

There will be more motion with a CAMM silo up forward on a smaller ship (Type23 for example), but I accept that vertical movement of the silo may need to be taken into account against the height at which the "cold launch" ends and the missile propellant ignites. Forward movement of the sh...

I've been thinking about the possible fitting of CAMM on the QEC and it's possible location(s). It would seem that the only sensible location for a silo to be sited would be on the Stern (to Starboard, at the angle) where a fourth Phalanx, as suggested by some would most likely be fitted. In this l...

I won't bother rising to that but why - quiet a few on here have been proposing a 130 metre Leander based design and just because that doesn't happen to be your view doesn't mean it isn't worthy of debate. Actually the results come out at almost exactly the same dimensions as the current Type 23 wh...

With a new PM & CoE, I wonder if the crappy NSS, & the Type 31 that it spawned, will survive. My guess is that this board would overwhelmingly vote in favor of their demise. Babcocks & CL shareholders not so much.

Broad Beamed Leander anyone? :mrgreen: Just done the maths on this , given that the Leander design is based purely on CAD as opposed to Arrowhead 140 which is an actual ship logic would suggest is that all they would need to do is take the existing CAD and multiply everything by 1.2. This would giv...

Mixing in personal opinion with quotes from an authoritative article is intellectual dishonesty.

For what it is worth, a contributor to ARSE who has demonstrated his access to inside info, has hinted that Leander's beam precludes it from carrying some kit that they would one day like to enable on the T31's. This was in response to a comment that Leander seemed a slam dunk for the competition ba...

NavalNews video interview with BAE Inc from SAS2019 on their Mk45 Mod 4/62 5"/127mm main gun with the Italian Leonardo Vulcano round. Mk45 current ballistic ammo has a current max range of 13nm / ~24km, BAE Inc looked at various alternatives but went with the Vulcano as had the longest max ran...

shark bait wrote:I'm glad the DIT recognise this, if only the MOD would follow suit. Unfortunately the MOD prefer to believe the world wants cheap patrol frigates built in England because that's more convenient for their budget.

That made me laugh out loud

For fans of ExLs

https://www.janes.com/article/88550/udt-2019-lockheed-martin-touts-exls-success

Tempest414 wrote:

RichardIC wrote:Just a line from Penny Mourdant's keynote speech to the Seapower Conference today.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... rence-2019

I for one found this to be hard hitting especially the part about SDSR's falling short

Talk is cheap. They all sound the same when they take office.

Excellent commentary Mr Athelwolf. Thanks.

Curious to know if you or anyone else has seen anything on the price of the 2150 sonar? and does it require an old 2050 set as a basis?

shark bait wrote:

Ron5 wrote:this "factory" is just a large shed where the ships can be fully built out of the (Scottish) rain.

An indoor assembly facility... sounds a lot like a factory.

So the QE assembly dock is a factory without a roof? Got it.

Poiuytrewq wrote:

Ron5 wrote:this "factory" is just a large shed where the ships can be fully built out of the (Scottish) rain.

The production facility at Scotstoun was to be a lot more than a simple build hall, are you taking in regard to the cheaper Govan proposal?

No it wasn't. Just a big shed.

We knew this all along; tilts the table in one direction No "we" didn't. As recently as last month the MoD were saying that GFE was to be included. and then again, taking FX risk away tilts the tables more, the further down the list you go ... and the net of those two announced changes is...

Poiuytrewq wrote:Much better to invest in the frigate factory

Small point but this "factory" is just a large shed where the ships can be fully built out of the (Scottish) rain. As it stands they will be assembled out in the elements. Calling it a "factory" is just your usual political spin.

This had/has all the hallmarks of anyone but BAE Maybe but it's also a vindication of what BAE has been telling HMG for years, namely that a £250m Frigate is an impossibility if built in the UK. A simple analysis of global frigate prices would have proved the same thing but obviously we had to foll...