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by shark bait
22 Jan 2019, 08:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The Rivers aren't saleable, their value is about a third of what the MOD paid, so it'll never happen.

Perhaps if a T23 was sold a couple could be upgraded to an "interim light frigate" standard, for use on ASW patrols in the North?
by shark bait
22 Jan 2019, 08:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5573
Views: 136458
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

However, the design is based on Thyssen Krupp’s latest Meko A200 frigate presently in use by Algeria’s navy. How, some ask, can Atlas’s Type 31e vessel be exported by the British when it is the intellectual property of a German company? However, the design is based on OMT’s latest Iver Huitfeldt-cl...
by shark bait
22 Jan 2019, 07:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 1895
Views: 42566
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Why only 2? Relatively simple craft should allow a much higher availability rate than 1:3, any reason why we couldn’t operate like the Survey ships? They would have to be equipped to self escort, since the proposal trades in 5 escorts for for 5 assault platforms. That makes the ship much more compl...
by shark bait
21 Jan 2019, 11:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 1895
Views: 42566
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Poiuytrewq wrote:I am still trying to find an Amphibious vessel with a well dock and a role 3 medical facility. No luck so far...

Mistral class
by shark bait
21 Jan 2019, 08:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

There is no Venari programme, the RN does not want or need new mine clearance platforms until 2028. If they are in the market for new vessels, why would the be overhauling the existing fleet? Selling off five brand new and real ships to buy four concept vessels to prop up a broke shipyard you fancy ...
by shark bait
21 Jan 2019, 08:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 598
Views: 27297
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

donald_of_tokyo wrote:Now, the status if the five T23GPs are;


Thanks for taking the time to work this out, I had lost track. Your going to need some more colours, soon some will be running around with new engines. A couple will never get new engines, I guess they're going to be the first to go.
by shark bait
21 Jan 2019, 08:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 1895
Views: 42566
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

For example adapting the RSN Endurance LPD Class to meet the T31e current GP requirements looks possible to me and falls within the budget. Buying five of these coupled with C&C facilities going to the CVFs, would allow both Albions to be retired. A big flexible platform such as the above would...
by shark bait
21 Jan 2019, 07:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

There is no rational justification due to the current lack of progress in the MH(P)C program There is, a new platform is not due into service until 2028. If these are suppose to be simple commercial platforms there's no need to be rushing now. As far as Wave Ruler is concerned it would be another n...
by shark bait
16 Jan 2019, 08:02
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)
Replies: 241
Views: 8593
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)

Similarly, helicopter training could be a good "peace time tasks" for a Wave or Tide (or even Bay) stationed around British water. Out sourcing it to Serco (or alike) will save the money HOW? Yes, in such a way that banning a Wave tanker and cutting 50-80 RFA crews. Only if UK is NOT thin...
by shark bait
16 Jan 2019, 07:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 1895
Views: 42566
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Poiuytrewq wrote:What would be more use conducting APT(S), an Albion with up to a Merlin and a Wildcat or a T31 with a Wildcat?

The Answer is a Bay Class.
by shark bait
15 Jan 2019, 08:29
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1109
Views: 32979
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

and neither of those fit on the inside, so no real loss.
by shark bait
15 Jan 2019, 08:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)
Replies: 241
Views: 8593
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)

No, there will be no 'additional support' from Serco, and that should be by design.

Hand them a contract for 100 days training a year and be done with it, allowing the RFA focus on its core activities.
by shark bait
15 Jan 2019, 07:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

History shows RN should never be underestimated even if heavily outnumbered. This type of phrase pops up all the time, but does it actually mean anything in reality? I think it might be something us Brits say to comfort ourself, but it could be a dangerous attitude. History is good to have, but it ...
by shark bait
14 Jan 2019, 15:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

As much as we would like them to be, they are not a coastal navy any more. For the last decade they have been developing blue water skills, and since they're not breaking new ground they're learning very quickly. We have yet to see a combat example of this, but we do have a botched evacuation in Lib...
by shark bait
14 Jan 2019, 14:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Just like the British, who also have a single (new) base, and the Brits haven't sent out a task group in over a decade. Building lots of ships is highly relevant and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. The Brits are a 20 ship navy, the Chinese have 200+ , in a war of attrition I know who I'd bet on. Us ...
by shark bait
14 Jan 2019, 14:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Where are their prepared docks? Djibouti Djibouti is the first of many, the Chinese openly claim their expansion is economic only but we know that is not true. Right now china have more ships in the Indian Ocean than we do, have openly said they use SSN's in the region, and is building a Royal Navy...
by shark bait
14 Jan 2019, 13:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)
Replies: 241
Views: 8593
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)

We know the MOD dont mind a gap, and under their current plan Look the future afloat medical capability comes in 2035. Perhaps its no coincidence thats the same date as the LPD replacements.

Is a gap really the end of the world?
by shark bait
14 Jan 2019, 13:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Further afield in a clash of interest requiring logistical trains to reach and operate away from home, RN would thrash them even in its weaker state right now. This is what we have traditionally told our self for comfort. In reality its a total lie, China has the same ability to operate in the Indi...
by shark bait
14 Jan 2019, 11:47
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)
Replies: 241
Views: 8593
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)

The MOD needs a cheap way to maintain at sea hours for pilots for all three services, a contracted PSV is an easy way to achieve that. I then suggest we build the future afloat medical capability into one of these; ⋅ The Waves replacement in 2030 ⋅ The Bays replacement in 2032 &s...
by shark bait
14 Jan 2019, 07:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Replies: 1895
Views: 42566
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion

Lord Jim wrote: I know this is going to bring out comments regarding GW2, but that was the exception to the rule and will probably not be repeated


How can you justify that?
by shark bait
14 Jan 2019, 07:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)
Replies: 241
Views: 8593
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)

What people are forgetting is that RFA Argus as per her predecessor RFA Engadine has a Aviation Support role also. HAD an aviation support role, then deemed unnecessary and deleted with the conversion to a medical facility. An aviation training vessel supplied by Serco This sounds highly likely, bo...
by shark bait
09 Jan 2019, 08:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 8411
Views: 183989
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Supersonic AShM appear to the becoming the norm, as always targeting is the big unknown to make a AShM an effective weapon system. We say this a lot, meanwhile we have Mach 3 missiles that can target much smaller objects moving much faster than a ship. Targeting might have been an issue in the 90's...
by shark bait
09 Jan 2019, 08:07
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 95
Views: 2247
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

Poiuytrewq wrote:Care to elaborate?


OK, "I want to buy some C17 out of the NHS budget because they'l be used for Medevac, I'll even paint them white!"

That would be seriously dumb, likewise buying assault ships from the international development budget is really dumb.
by shark bait
08 Jan 2019, 11:58
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?
Replies: 95
Views: 2247
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Should the royal navy have a real hospital ship?

Using the foreign development budget to build assault ships is dumb to the highest degree

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