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by shark bait
28 Sep 2020, 14:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1264
Views: 220669
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]

They are definitely designed to be packed more tightly because the Army pack them more tightly, and much of the early images showed them packed more tightly. However they've clearly hit a snag during integration. At first I thought it was laziness and just dropping them into the old Sea Wolf silos, ...
by shark bait
28 Sep 2020, 12:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1264
Views: 220669
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]

What rest of it? It's all sealed in the canister.

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What rest of it? It's all sealed in the canister.
by shark bait
28 Sep 2020, 12:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1264
Views: 220669
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]

It's got nothing to do with ExLS. CAMM can be densely packed without ExLS, look at the version the Army have.
by shark bait
28 Sep 2020, 12:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Timmymagic wrote:There are studies and attempts at using other satellite signals along with GPS to increase resolution and resilience.

Roders96 wrote:Might be why Elon musk's starlink is happening so quickly..


Also why the UK government have bough a satellite constellation.
by shark bait
28 Sep 2020, 12:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

trade-off between American and British asw tactics? Is there a difference? Only thing is the Brits split AAW and ASW between frigates and destroyers whereas the Americans put it all on the destroyers. helicopters are the best way to hunt a submarine Helicopters are the best way to kill a submarine,...
by shark bait
25 Sep 2020, 11:43
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2086
Views: 345292
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

They're gonna need a new engine for many reasons. Like what? The only answer I've seen is 'Lasers', which seems a little far fetched for me. Bear in mind there's still a load of headroom left to exploit through modernising the EJ200, which may be preferable to a horrifically expensive new engine pr...
by shark bait
24 Sep 2020, 09:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3611
Views: 501237
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

That's in danger of inventing a problem to solve. Looking at the images Donald collected on the previous page makes me think that's the perfect role for the Rivers, just general security operations to wave the flag a bit and keep a lid on things so we don't escalate to the point of sending a frigate...
by shark bait
24 Sep 2020, 08:34
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2086
Views: 345292
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Yes, hopefully the new Typhoon radar will be bolted straight onto Tempest saving a whole load of heart ache. Now they need to do the same for the engines and computer and they'll be in a very good position to just focus on a high performance airframe that's easy to build.
by shark bait
24 Sep 2020, 08:28
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)
Replies: 215
Views: 58048
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Boeing E-7 Wedgetail (RAF)

Now if the E7 decision is above projected costs, would it be better to upgrade the E3 sentry force Or put it out to competition, invite tenders for new build and upgrade. That's what should have been done in the first place, the decision to place purchase order on Boeing without a competitive proce...
by shark bait
24 Sep 2020, 08:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3611
Views: 501237
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

None at all. A River Class is absolutely useless offensively and defensively against that kind of threat, so the most reasonable thing to do is stay away.
by shark bait
24 Sep 2020, 08:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

RichardIC wrote:So how many do you think are going to be needed?

Zero! It shouldn't be the Navy picking up the tab.
by shark bait
24 Sep 2020, 08:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

FRE is a legacy task, really no point for it in a Carrier Group navy. The Rivers will be fine for picking up whats left.
by shark bait
23 Sep 2020, 16:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I take two exceptions to their statement. ⋅ First, don't rush an order out the door last minute. The MOD employ thousands who are suppose to be managing this, it's such a huge failure! (oh, and now doing the same again with AWACS) ⋅ Second, they did a load of redesign anyway, and...
by shark bait
23 Sep 2020, 13:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

https://www.navyrecognition.com/images/stories/middle_east/oman/opv/khareef/Khareef_class_Ocean_Patrol_Vessel_Corvette_Oman_Navy_sketch.jpg Ahhhhhhhh coulda woulda shoulda! Pains me every time I see this, if we're paying through the roof for patrol vessels, it should have been on this! Worse Navy p...
by shark bait
23 Sep 2020, 13:46
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218889
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Yeah I also thought that one was a bit odd, one is a legit ship builder (CL) whereas the other is a dry-dock (HW).
by shark bait
10 Sep 2020, 08:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218889
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Jake1992 wrote:spare yards

Spare yards? You think these empty docks have staff sitting round waiting for an order? There is no spare capacity, any capacity has to be built from the ground.
by shark bait
10 Sep 2020, 08:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218889
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

They keep bringing up the EU rule as a distraction, really all they want is cheaper than the UK. Setting up another facility is going to be costly because it's going to be short lived.
by shark bait
09 Sep 2020, 08:40
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218889
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

'Economically illiterate' to build Royal Navy supply ships abroad With recent events in mind I think this is true. A year ago it didn't really matter where they were built, but now the idea of spending a billion abroad and then another billion on a new economic stimulus package is indeed 'Economica...
by shark bait
08 Sep 2020, 15:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

donald_of_tokyo wrote:76 mm as well), requires "deck penetration"

Not strictly true. Oto have a new variant of their very successful 76mm gun that sits on top of the deck. It's first outing is sitting on the hanger roof of the Italian PPA

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by shark bait
28 Aug 2020, 10:21
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2086
Views: 345292
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

- Suggested RAF/RN to stop procuring F-35 after 70, - 70 considered a 'credible minimum order', - Funds to be channeled into Typhoon upgrades and Temptest. Certainly better than the split A/B idea. That should be enough for 4 operational squadrons of F35b which is about the sweet-spot IMO. That mea...
by shark bait
28 Aug 2020, 10:17
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2086
Views: 345292
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

I wonder how affordable this will be? Yeah the Brits need to show a bit of restraint here otherwise they'll only be able to afford 5. There's already capable engines, radars and weapons in the real world, so show some restraint wrap the existing stuff up in a new software focused, low observable pa...
by shark bait
28 Aug 2020, 10:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Our Absalons in their new ASW role will never be first tier open water sub hunters, that is true. What they will bring, is an advanced HMS, a capable VDS/TAS and room for 2 very capable ASW helicopters with dipping sonars and torpedoes.....and plenty of room for future offboard unmanned systems. Th...
by shark bait
28 Aug 2020, 09:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Tempest414 wrote:the 5" gun is on the wrong ship

The big gun is on the correct platform. If you're going to sit withing visual range of a hostile coast popping off shells you need to be hard as nails!
by shark bait
24 Aug 2020, 10:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468361
Location: Pitcairn Island

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

RN go with the ship building policy or not That thing isn't worth the paper its written on. Pretty much all has been abandoned already. it would help if the RN came out and said why they had chosen it or if it was chosen for them ( this wont happen ) Because it was clearly the best of the three opt...

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