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by NickC
17 Feb 2020, 12:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6338
Views: 507961
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

There is a wide perception on the web that as the Absalon and Iver Huitfeldt/T31 class (IH based on Absalon, ~80%) only built to 'commercial' standards so not 'real' navy warships and that's why so cheap. The IH design incorporates stealth characteristics for low acoustic, radar, visual and infrared...
by NickC
16 Feb 2020, 12:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

T31 is NOT a frigate. Type 31 is a Global Ocean patrol ship capable of carrying out freedom of Nav rolls and other tasks as seen fit MoD T31 overarching requirement/mission statement per MoD contracting authority Bristol Aug 2018 and as far as know still valid, it is not a warship/frigate, as it's ...
by NickC
15 Feb 2020, 12:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

February 6th, the Mexican Navy commissioned the 2,570t/107m ARM REFORMADOR, Patrulla Oceánica de Largo Alcance , POLA, Long-Range Ocean Patrol Vessel, a variant of the Damen 10514 OPV, just for interest as fitted out makes an interesting baseline comparison to T31 fit and you can see how far short T...
by NickC
13 Feb 2020, 10:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Mention of "Sea" SPEAR. Possible outside contender for the short term "interim" RN AShM requirement ? The Italian MARTE-ER (Extended Range) had a second successful test firing yesterday at the Poligono Interforze del Salto di Quirra test range in Sardinia hitting a floating targe...
by NickC
12 Feb 2020, 14:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We won't be giving the T-31s a missile with a 100km strike capability or a 5" Gun for NGFS..// The only two possible upgrades I can see the T-31s getting are possibly the five sets of Interim AShMs being bought for the T-23, Slightly confused as appear contradictory, am I missing something? We...
by NickC
10 Feb 2020, 11:14
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
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Views: 507961
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Re possible sale of Italian FREMMs 9 and 10 to Egypt, general purpose variant, ships due to be commissioned March 2020 and April 2021 respectively. What was of interest are the cost figures on web, cannot vouch for authenticity though think correct, the Italian FREMMs built by Orizzonte Sistemi Nava...
by NickC
09 Feb 2020, 12:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
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Views: 507961
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

"Next-generation naval ships which operate in the complex threat scenarios must have a fixed panel AESA radar system to ensure robust surveillance & tracking performance." Thales blurb on their recent bid for the four Finish Pohjanmaa Class Corvettes based on their SM400+ , a four pan...
by NickC
06 Feb 2020, 16:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

speeds of up to Mach 2.8 at sea leve Love that one... as similar real threats are in service 23 Jan 2020 "The Indian Air Force (IAF) has commissioned its first squadron of Sukhoi Su-30MKIs equipped with the Mach 2.8 BrahMos-A (Air) supersonic anti-ship/cruise missile (PJ-10). No. 222 Squadron ...
by NickC
06 Feb 2020, 15:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6338
Views: 507961
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Naval News has article on Thales Dutch/French systems for T31, TACTICOS combat management system; NS series radar & Mirador Mk2 electro optic; Integrated communications systems (COMTICS & PARTNER-C) and integrated bridge and navigation systems. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/02/th...
by NickC
06 Feb 2020, 12:44
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
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Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

CAMM on any ship is very capable of providing self defense against incoming missile and aircraft. Probably one of the very best systems available today. Probably one of the very best price performers. Interested why such confidence in CAMM, may well be correct, and hope that your right. I'm yet to ...
by NickC
05 Feb 2020, 11:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

FWIW rumours circulating of sale of the last two Italian Navy Fincantieri FREMM's to Egypt, mention of Euro 1.2 billion, ~ £500 million each (approx half price of a T26?), France and Germany out of picture due to Macron & Merkel criticism of killing the Saudi journalist, presuming Saudi financin...
by NickC
03 Feb 2020, 11:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
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Views: 507961
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

donald_of_tokyo Senior Member Posts: 3374 Joined: 06 May 2015, 13:18 Location: Contact: Contact donald_of_tokyo Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only] Unread postby donald_of_tokyo » 03 Feb 2020, 10:19 NickC wrote: You could discuss the pros and cons Hobart verse Huitfeldt by ticking boxes...
by NickC
03 Feb 2020, 10:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
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Views: 507961
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

1: Even though Danish Iver Huitfeldt-class FFG is 6600 t FLD, it surely do not have the same capacity as Australian Hobart-class DDG (~6900t FLD). 2: Even so, as T31 requirement can be met within a ~3500t FLD hull, 6600 t Arrowhead 140 even with eating significant resource for "easy maintenanc...
by NickC
02 Feb 2020, 09:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 11165
Views: 1127724
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Not sure where to post, Admin please move if appropriate Telegraph last Thursday, 1st Sea Lord Adm Radakin plans for RN, interesting, some to be welcomed, others controversial and some news on drones. In a cost saving drive aiming to reduce Portsmouth headquarters count by half, 1,000, onto ships an...
by NickC
01 Feb 2020, 11:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Zero ASW defense or attack capability? I was talking weapons fit and not systems however we can let the Danish navy fit and test the TAS to their IH class this year and if it works fit it to type 31 with torpedos delivered by Helo I was thinking weapons as well, IH class ASW weapons - fitted with t...
by NickC
31 Jan 2020, 12:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Tempest414 wrote:Maybe a good base line fit for type 31 should be

1 x 57mm
2 x 40mm
36 x CAMM ( in 3 x 3 cell EXLS )
8 x NSM
4 x Aselsan / Thales stable mounts fitted with 4 x LMM + GAU-19 12.7mm gatling gun


Zero ASW defense or attack capability?
by NickC
25 Jan 2020, 15:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6338
Views: 507961
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

The Fincantieri Marinette shipyard will be modernised with the installation of a new syncrolift to replace the existing sideways launch process, ending the spectacular sideways process which creates the big splash as a ship is launched into the river, but like all moving launches places strain on a ...
by NickC
24 Jan 2020, 11:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 11165
Views: 1127724
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Survivability of carriers, a near future realistic threat? Alternatively there is this article I had previously posted with a query about this being used to block observation of missile launches https://www.defencetalk.com/russian-space-agency-develops-countermeasures-orbital-surveillance-73158/ Th...
by NickC
22 Jan 2020, 12:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 11165
Views: 1127724
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Survivability of carriers, a near future realistic threat? The new US DoD SDA, Space Defense Agency, planning to field low earth orbiting, LEO, constellation of dozens of satellites to detect and target ships providing the beyond-line-of-site targeting for ground and ship based weapon systems eg ant...
by NickC
21 Jan 2020, 16:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The Sate Department cleared possible $1.5 billion sale of kit for both the three Hobart AAW frigates and first three Hunter (T26) class ships, surprised at kit for Hobart buy as first two only commissioned in 2017 and 2018 and final ship currently on pre-commissioning trials, presumably upgrade to i...
by NickC
20 Jan 2020, 14:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Integrated Air and Missile Defense [IAMD], my limited understanding The DoD MDA, Missile Defense Agency funds the Ballistic Missile Defense Aegis IAMD CMS and missiles, not the USN, for Ticos, Burkes and Aegis Ashore. Aegis CMS on a quadrennial upgrade software/hardware cycle eg ACB 12, ACB 16 and l...
by NickC
16 Jan 2020, 14:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

14th January press release by MOD "Revolutionary Artificial Intelligence warship contracts announced" "The Defence and Security Accelerator (DASA) has announced the first wave of £4 million funding The funding aims to revolutionise the way warships make decisions and process thousands...
by NickC
15 Jan 2020, 14:27
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Nice pic of the first of the new Type 055 commissioned yesterday, the Nanchang, ~13,000 ton, 112 VLS, 64 fwd and 48 aft, launched 28th June 2017. in total 6 launched to date, last 26th Dec. 2019 Win subject to German Parliament approval and protests. Isn't this thread for Royal Navy Current and Fut...
by NickC
14 Jan 2020, 16:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Damen have won ~ 6 billion euros contract for the four 9,000t German MKS 180 heavy frigates with their North German partners Lurssen and its subsidiary Blohm & Voss, with an option for two additional ships. BAE at one point were competing with the T26 partnering with German Naval Yards. "Da...
by NickC
14 Jan 2020, 14:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 11158
Views: 844689
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

112 VLS, 64 fwd and 48 aft, extra 8 A-50 cells to allow a load out of 32 Aster and 96 CAMM = 128 missiles Top Trumps... the way to go. And as 45ers are not going to be singletons, any more, the helo for self-ASW-defence is surplus to requirement: the space can be filled with :D Tomahawks Not at all...

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