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by PapaGolf
25 Aug 2019, 19:08
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 389271
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Perhaps BAE didn’t want the work and put in the bare minimum effort for their bid to be credible and create a competition (keeping the Govt happy). They have more than enough design and build work with T26 and they have already stated the profit margin on T31 was unattractive for them. Perhaps this ...
by PapaGolf
20 Jul 2019, 23:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 735
Views: 73245
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]

One thing I’ve not seen discussed is the fact that LMM on wildcat will, presumably, give it an air to air weapon to deal with enemy helicopters.
by PapaGolf
15 Jul 2019, 17:41
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Martlet/Lightweight multirole missile
Replies: 52
Views: 7160
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Martlet/Lightweight multirole missile

I'd be very curious to know how powerful that shaped charge is. Right now it's not being seen as an AT missile, but it could be a darkhorse threat. I definitely think there's some additional utility in LMM that needs explored. Comparing it to other AT missiles that are man guided and with a fairly ...
by PapaGolf
09 Jul 2019, 22:49
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 203894
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Thinking outside the box in a retro kind of way....plenty of Rapier coming available soon? Low cost low pain weapon readily available. Crane on, bolt down stand alone system. Nah, how about a couple of AS90 parked on the heli deck, proper NGFS. the navy must be bonkers to not have thought of this b...
by PapaGolf
21 May 2019, 20:12
Forum: British Army
Topic: Ground Based Air Defence
Replies: 379
Views: 33266
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Re: Ground Based Air Defence

I’ve no idea why were supporting the Spanish economy when they behave the way they do over Gibraltar. Would much rather we supported proper allies.
by PapaGolf
21 May 2019, 20:08
Forum: British Army
Topic: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)
Replies: 275
Views: 24092
Location: United Kingdom

Re: AS-90 Self-Propelled Gun (Army)

I wonder if there’s any chance of codeveloping/procuring something with the Australians. They’re looking for a SPG too and we seem to be working very closely on procurement at the moment.
by PapaGolf
14 Feb 2019, 12:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 593
Views: 62408
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

shark bait wrote:However if they could prove a few SSK's could be used to increase Nuke boat on station time, mostly by taking over training roles, then perhaps then it could be a worth wile expenditure.


agreed! :thumbup:
by PapaGolf
14 Feb 2019, 11:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 593
Views: 62408
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

If there was new money to boost submarine detection around the UK, why is an SSK the best way to go? Why does the it need to be covert if operating around friendly shores? Not if there was new money, I can't see the submarine budget getting increased substantially to make a difference to fleet numb...
by PapaGolf
12 Feb 2019, 11:25
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 593
Views: 62408
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

Sounds good but it should include the option for an additional 3 boats if RN are happy with the performance of the design and dependant on the first batch being delivered on time and on budget. I'd cap it at four. The SSKs should have a very limited role, any additional money should be spend on SSN...
by PapaGolf
11 Feb 2019, 12:45
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 593
Views: 62408
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

I was initially against a SSK option but have now come round to the idea, it seems some in the RN want them too. We should give BAE a fixed price contract of about 1.2Bn to design and build 3 SSKs at Barrow. They should use as many parts and components as possible from the Astutes/Dreadnoughts to ke...
by PapaGolf
23 Jan 2019, 22:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6177
Views: 389271
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I wonder if building 10 T26 and then selling on ships 1 & 2, after 10 years of use, to NZ (or someone else, Brazil?) would be economically viable. Few countries that can afford a brand new T26 will not want to build them themselves, the second hand market might be more lucrative?
by PapaGolf
19 Jan 2019, 09:32
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Replies: 1743
Views: 137953
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Does Russia count?
by PapaGolf
15 Jan 2019, 22:23
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2992
Views: 203894
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

So the faults have all been rectified then? I was expecting a longer delay especially given the hysteria in the media at the time. Anyone seen any reports on the rectifications?
by PapaGolf
28 Oct 2018, 16:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3922
Views: 287729
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

I thought it was being put forward for Germany too.
by PapaGolf
09 Aug 2018, 18:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10628
Views: 613993
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I’m guessing bombs from directly above. The type 56 only has very short range SAM.
by PapaGolf
01 Aug 2018, 10:09
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 975
Views: 70646
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Unless using Croatian google was a clever deception, Comrade. :)
by PapaGolf
31 Jul 2018, 20:16
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 975
Views: 70646
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

To paraphrase what the Iranians said few days ago: "Color me as not convinced" Nope - Google doesn't come up with anything for "Color me as not convinced" and Iran. Link please, so that we know what you're wibbling about this time. Dishonest, as well, to doctor my post, so as to...
by PapaGolf
13 Jul 2018, 18:20
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Boeing E-3D Sentry AEW.1 (AWACS) (RAF)
Replies: 384
Views: 40854
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Boeing E-3D Sentry AEW.1 (AWACS) (RAF)

Wedgetail was probably part of the T26 deal. No bad thing in my book.
by PapaGolf
03 Jul 2018, 22:15
Forum: British Army
Topic: Ground Based Air Defence
Replies: 379
Views: 33266
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Seen it on other variants too, looks like an air filter or similar.
by PapaGolf
20 Jun 2018, 12:59
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3922
Views: 287729
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Time for a quick project rename to T26e
by PapaGolf
09 Jun 2018, 11:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)
Replies: 1156
Views: 76566
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

The inclusion of Artisan could be a very clever move from a future exports point of view.
by PapaGolf
26 Apr 2018, 12:01
Forum: British Army
Topic: British Army Future Wheeled APC
Replies: 1299
Views: 93952
Location: United Kingdom

Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Having to get Warriors and Ajax to constantly roll around with Boxer simply to have them not get outgunned immediately defeats the entire advantage of Boxer in the first place. There's a reason that every military worth their salt is putting credible firepower in with these types of units. Surely t...
by PapaGolf
25 Apr 2018, 20:21
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1479
Views: 119827
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft General Discussion

We just need new partners. Let’s look to other allies who have or want an aerospace industry. Italy, Spain, Sweden, Australia, Japan, Brazil even some of the Middle East countries who are investing in typhoon.

We’re probably better off without France and Germany for co-development projects.
by PapaGolf
17 Apr 2018, 22:53
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)
Replies: 593
Views: 62408
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Astute Class Attack Submarine (SSN) (RN)

I asked this previously and was told that submarines are designed around the propulsion system. You cant change the propulsion without changing the whole submarine.
by PapaGolf
15 Mar 2018, 12:59
Forum: Joint Service
Topic: Airbus Zephyr - HAPS
Replies: 129
Views: 19887
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Airbus Zephyr - HAPS

I'd say it's more likely the work will be transferred away from Farnborough and the MP is trying to get the a positive endorsement from the PM making it more difficult to cut the work in the future. Too cynical?

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