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by Jake1992
27 Sep 2020, 18:05
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 1264
Views: 220665
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 45 Destroyer (Daring Class) (RN) [News Only]

Old RN wrote:
Ron5 wrote:Also secretly replacing the gun with ....


Sea Ceptor mushrooms in the Mk41 hole?


I hope not, in the sense of mushrooms being used we need to get away from them they take away one on CAMMs big strengths of being compact. We really need to bite the bullet and invest in EXcL
by Jake1992
27 Sep 2020, 11:03
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

This all brings be back to what’s the point of a T31 being held in UK waters just for FRE ? The forward deployed ones will be quicker responds the FRE one won’t offer anything the other havnt got and it’s over kill just to follow other nations vessels through UK waters. You have to remember that fo...
by Jake1992
27 Sep 2020, 10:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The Fleet Ready Escort (FRE) is a single warship maintained at high readiness for deployment at short notice anywhere in the world. This is in effect the RN contingency force. However, in recent years the role has been gapped on occasions, or combined with the TAPS role. If one ship is covering TAP...
by Jake1992
27 Sep 2020, 10:37
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

If that’s the case the doesn’t the whole forward basing of vessel get rid of that need as they will be much closer ? Not if it’s an OPV which will be the mainstay of the RNs forward deployments. The “ready” LRG / CSG will cover some of this, but in the majority of real life scenarios this is not ap...
by Jake1992
27 Sep 2020, 09:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I thought the primary task of the FRE was to dash off to potential trouble spots around the world at the drop of a hat. Escorting foreign warships is something to do whilst waiting for that to happen (with an OPV picking up the task when the Frigate/ destroyer is off doing precisely that) If that’s...
by Jake1992
27 Sep 2020, 09:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

This points to the need for the 5 T31s to be up armed if they are to used as escorts. Plus the need to buy more of them. Or buy more T26. Assigning a T31 to the “active” LRG would require 3 of the 5, leaving 2. Stretching these two across Kipion and joint covering of the FRE requirement - is probab...
by Jake1992
26 Sep 2020, 10:26
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 2086
Views: 345286
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

I thought I read back in Jan that RR were looking to develop a ramjet engine set up for Temepest or was that just pie in the sky talk from a press department ?
by Jake1992
24 Sep 2020, 13:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I still believe the RB2 family can be evolved in to MHPC type vessel long with a more long range patrol vessel like an improved Khareef vessel. This IMO along with evolving the T26 family could give 2 solid families of vessel covering all areas needed. why do you want a family of ships when one cla...
by Jake1992
24 Sep 2020, 11:17
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

So how many do you think are going to be needed? Zero! It shouldn't be the Navy picking up the tab. That maybe what you and many want but like I said with out a proper coast guard then it falls to the RN, since it is their job to do it’s got to be what is needed to do it. Question is do we believe ...
by Jake1992
23 Sep 2020, 20:54
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

With leaving the CFP and the EU wanting to keep the rights as if we were still in that agreement along with the french saying they just ignor the rules and carry on do you or anyone here believe 3 OPVs would be enough to monitor the whole EEZ ? So how many do you think are going to be needed? Perso...
by Jake1992
23 Sep 2020, 20:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Or do we really believe just 3 OPVs in the EEZ after brexit will be enough ? If three was enough before Brexit why shouldn't three be enough after Brexit? (I'm already regretting asking but just couldn't resist) The simple answer is protection of fishing grounds. Now I know a lot think it shouldn’t...
by Jake1992
23 Sep 2020, 19:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

Question is do we believe the RB1s will be replaced ? If yes then what with ? Would these replacements be just for EEZ ( so 8 EEZ OPVs ) or for further afield like med, SA, east Africa ? If the later then do we go for a new design or a modified version of the Khareef class ? If we don’t replace the ...
by Jake1992
21 Sep 2020, 21:04
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218877
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-finally-accept-navy-supply-22718782.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true Well, this pretty much confirms what we had already known: FSS to be UK built. FSS to be classified as "war...
by Jake1992
20 Sep 2020, 14:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

12 x 20-25m fast cutters something along the line of the MK6 patrol boat. now that would make a good order book for say Appledore if we added 14 more to replace the 2 Gib boats and the Archer class to make a order of 26 Iv often said on here that I believe the MK6 patrol boat or similar would be an...
by Jake1992
20 Sep 2020, 12:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

I think we need to look at conceladating aspects of these agencies in to a new UKCG, take the current coast guard + the water based parts of UKBF + the fisheries agencies and others in to one so all aspects of maritime policing full under one agency. Something like 24 odd vessels split in to somethi...
by Jake1992
19 Sep 2020, 21:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 12220
Views: 1468316
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

There is the slim possibility of actually seeing an increase in numbers and not cuts. Hear me on this, most economists are saying the way out of this self made resection is not to cut public spending through austerity but to use the historicity low rates to barrow and spend our way out of it via tar...
by Jake1992
19 Sep 2020, 17:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3611
Views: 501228
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

With all this talk of upgrading the RB2s I honestly not sure why they were chose in the first place. Don’t get me wrong as a EEZ dedicated OPV there spot on and I understand a near complete and ready design was needed to go asap but it seems there were better options to add greater use for the RN. ...
by Jake1992
19 Sep 2020, 16:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 3611
Views: 501228
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

With all this talk of upgrading the RB2s I honestly not sure why they were chose in the first place. Don’t get me wrong as a EEZ dedicated OPV there spot on and I understand a near complete and ready design was needed to go asap but it seems there were better options to add greater use for the RN. I...
by Jake1992
13 Sep 2020, 18:48
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion
Replies: 12323
Views: 1843783
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Just to throw a spanner in the mix ,if only ever going to be smaller numbers onboard in reality should they have built so big ,yes I know by the argument about was designed to facilitate and generate so many sorties etc and the saving scale of bigger etc but in reality if only ever going to Carry s...
by Jake1992
11 Sep 2020, 15:23
Forum: British Army
Topic: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)
Replies: 402
Views: 93466
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Cuts in orders from the US forces will only mean an increase in price above the increase that have already happened. Iv said it before and this now hardens my thinking around the need to go for a home grown design, I have favoured the Foxhound family with what they’ve developed to prototype stage bu...
by Jake1992
10 Sep 2020, 09:21
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218877
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

spare yards Spare yards? You think these empty docks have staff sitting round waiting for an order? There is no spare capacity, any capacity has to be built from the ground. You have taken that the wrong way, I meant it more as any yards that will have spare capacity in the come time ie yards that ...
by Jake1992
10 Sep 2020, 08:30
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218877
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Two things for me one HMG keep bring up the EU rule about non warship builds when telling us we are not in the EU anymore so surly these rules do not apply anymore and we can do as we please. Second all other EU countries that have a ship building base don't bother with this rule and build there ow...
by Jake1992
09 Sep 2020, 16:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218877
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

putting down a £1.5 billion order in NI and Scotland.... and Devon, may be? We do have to keep this in mind, while it’s all good spending money to keep shipbuilding going in Scotland and NI English yards can’t be forgotten else you’ll really end up alienating the English against the others especial...
by Jake1992
09 Sep 2020, 11:15
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218877
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

All very good points but still when compared to the “simpler” tides built in a more efficient yard are we really saying the complexity of SSS and the 10-30% difference in efficiency costs 4 times the amount ? I find it very hard to believe. Not sure. Daewoo bankrupted right among the Tide build, as...
by Jake1992
09 Sep 2020, 10:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1437
Views: 218877
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

The thing that’s still getting to me is how all builders said it couldn’t be done for the price set. Can someone please explain to me how 3 SSS can’t be built in the UK for £1.5bn. I know they are not “simple” ships like the tides but £500m per vessel not being enough sound very odd to me. No idea....

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