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by clinch
25 Aug 2019, 19:55
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Jeez, this has flushed the English nationalists out. I would hardly call myself ( at least English ) nationalist, but that's just simple logical thinking. Let's face it, the genie is out of the bottle. 5 years ago, a few percents more and Scotland would be out. If the referendum is tomorrow, I'm pr...
by clinch
07 Aug 2019, 14:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Personally I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that H&W is now closed permanently. Compared to Appledore the infrastructure is very impressive. With the T31, FSS and FLSS programmes still active, yards like H&W should have a bright future - if only HMG would back British industry and stop hid...
by clinch
07 Aug 2019, 13:20
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Caribbean wrote:Yes, they did, along with Ferguson Marine, who have their own problems. At this rate, Babcocks will have to reopen Appledore, if they win the contract!


You would assume it all plays into the hands of Leander.
by clinch
05 Aug 2019, 16:19
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3924
Views: 301238
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

RetroSicotte wrote:No surprise.


No. But, it's very important to have alternative English yards - especially as Northern Ireland could go as well.
by clinch
24 Jul 2019, 18:33
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Both Arrowhead and MEKO are in risk of resigning from the bid? Anyway, it looks very difficult to bid with fixed price, both HW and AP, they need to add up the survival cost until the actual build starts. Yes Cammell Laird, if lost the Leander bid, can help, but as it will be free bid process, I ca...
by clinch
12 Jul 2019, 11:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 652654
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We should not kid our self that US is not pocking the nest hoping something will happen at will let them have pop. the big thing here is we only have one frigate on station forward deployed unless we are going to double crew her she will max out at 130 sea going days and even with extra crew will m...
by clinch
28 Apr 2019, 09:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 652654
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

...until the Scottish question is sorted... When will it ever be sorted? It isn't going away time soon regardless of any IndyRef2. HMG needs to invest more in Scotland, not less. By slowing investment and delaying contracts you just play into the SNP's hands. If Scotland was to ever vote for indepe...
by clinch
05 Mar 2019, 12:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 78754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

How does this sound; "Call it complex, mandate UK build, pay twice as much, have 2 fewer frigates." That is what all the comments above are advocating. Well, we could build everything abroad, export highly paid jobs, leaving Brits to work zero-hours contracts at McDonalds. Zero tax take m...
by clinch
04 Mar 2019, 14:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 78754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Having them potentially built abroad is bad enough, but Spain? Bonkers :crazy: https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/defence/betrayal-if-1bn-contracts-for-royal-fleet-auxiliary-solid-support-ships-are-given-to-spain-1-8832533 An MoD spokesman said they were ‘required by law to procure’ the three fleet ...
by clinch
25 Feb 2019, 09:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Didn't think we'd ever see that site re-emerge. I'm amazed. Thanks for posting Jensy. LMM is of course a Thales product, hence the inclusion. Mk 8 is of course now a Babcocks product, hence the inclusion. The build map seems a tad jaundiced now, the "all over UK" build strategy comes down...
by clinch
24 Jan 2019, 07:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 652654
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

You're welcome, btw .. here is an interesting article about the number of days spent at sea of the t23 https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com/2018/10/go-to-sea-once-more-type-23-sea-days.html Thanks, I read it last year. What Sir Humphrey says is quite reasonable, we cannot have all ship "at ...
by clinch
24 Jan 2019, 07:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 78754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Interesting example of the costs involved with building naval vessels indigenously, and the increased costs incurred. Canada's two new Queenston class replenishment ships are costing them CAD$2.3Bn, whilst the RFA's four Tidespring class ordered for Korea cost US£800m in other words the Canadian ve...
by clinch
07 Nov 2018, 08:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

>> https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/The-Equipment-Plan-2017-to-2027.pdf Costs not included in the Plan 2.2 As a consequence of the Strategic Defence and Security Review 2015, the Department introduced a number of new equipment commitments into the Plan. The Department was unable to...
by clinch
23 Oct 2018, 07:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

'despite last-ditch efforts by ministers to save the north Devon site.' I wonder did the same ministers consider giving the yard some orders as a last ditch effort? Actions speak louder than words... I doubt it, if this article is anything to go by :- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/21...
by clinch
12 Sep 2018, 10:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 595
Views: 51454
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

shark bait wrote:I suspect some will even have the Serco sticker on the side.


Then the defence budget really will be screwed.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/dec/19/offender-electronic-tagging-serco-repay-68m-overcharging
by clinch
05 Sep 2018, 07:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Not news so apologies for that but I find myself a tad obsessed with the Type 31 program. I scour the web & print for references and I think this is the current situation. Well, current situation for hot rumors anyhow: 1. There were 3 contenders for the design contracts: only Leander passed the...
by clinch
16 Aug 2018, 12:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 6180
Views: 409218
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I wonder if it will remain a competition or just transition into a single source program. Well you would have to suspect that if Cammell and BAe met the target in the tender and if the contract eventually goes to Babcock after subsequently scrapping the tender and moving the goalposts, Cammell and ...
by clinch
13 Aug 2018, 11:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 652654
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

How can the Government halt the tender process and start again because one of the contestants made a bollocks of its bid? Wouldn't the Leander team have a case for legal action?
by clinch
31 Jul 2018, 17:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 78754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Francis Tusa of Defence Analysis put together a report for the Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions, pressing the case for building the ships in the UK. He puts the tax and national insurance return at 20 per cent. Building FSS in the UK would contribute to the nation’s prosperity. T...
by clinch
31 Jul 2018, 09:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 78754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I understand the wider benefits to the UK but we should not be spending more than we have to of the Defence Budget to support jobs and industry. Other departments have funding to do just that. The alternative is for the MoD to charge every other department when its assets are used to provide suppor...
by clinch
30 Jul 2018, 07:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 78754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I understand the wider benefits to the UK but we should not be spending more than we have to of the Defence Budget to support jobs and industry. Other departments have funding to do just that. The alternative is for the MoD to charge every other department when its assets are used to provide suppor...
by clinch
29 Jul 2018, 19:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 10689
Views: 652654
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The idea of an "OMR" has great appeal but no Politician is going to give such a body a remit to criticise an area they deem sensitive to national security. If something was set up it would be kept behind closed doors and at most briefing Parliament in confidence being covered by the Offic...
by clinch
29 Jul 2018, 19:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 78754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I agree with the economic when looked at as a whole but that doesn't help the Defence Budget. If the ships cost 30" more to build in the UK then that is 30% that cannot be spent elsewhere. Now if that 30% was covered by a DTI subsidy for regional growth or similar then fine. That's the fault o...
by clinch
29 Jul 2018, 16:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 1019
Views: 78754
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

How about the Arrowheads being built in Denmark and fitted out in the UK. If you're looking to save money you might be better off building the blocks in the same Estonian and Lithuanian yards that the Iver Huitfeldt blocks were built in. If you are looking to save money, build them in the UK. A ver...

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