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by clinch
12 Jul 2019, 11:12
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 421642
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

We should not kid our self that US is not pocking the nest hoping something will happen at will let them have pop. the big thing here is we only have one frigate on station forward deployed unless we are going to double crew her she will max out at 130 sea going days and even with extra crew will m...
by clinch
28 Apr 2019, 09:26
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 421642
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

...until the Scottish question is sorted... When will it ever be sorted? It isn't going away time soon regardless of any IndyRef2. HMG needs to invest more in Scotland, not less. By slowing investment and delaying contracts you just play into the SNP's hands. If Scotland was to ever vote for indepe...
by clinch
05 Mar 2019, 12:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 49960
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

How does this sound; "Call it complex, mandate UK build, pay twice as much, have 2 fewer frigates." That is what all the comments above are advocating. Well, we could build everything abroad, export highly paid jobs, leaving Brits to work zero-hours contracts at McDonalds. Zero tax take m...
by clinch
04 Mar 2019, 14:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 49960
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Having them potentially built abroad is bad enough, but Spain? Bonkers :crazy: https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/defence/betrayal-if-1bn-contracts-for-royal-fleet-auxiliary-solid-support-ships-are-given-to-spain-1-8832533 An MoD spokesman said they were ‘required by law to procure’ the three fleet ...
by clinch
25 Feb 2019, 09:31
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279152
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Didn't think we'd ever see that site re-emerge. I'm amazed. Thanks for posting Jensy. LMM is of course a Thales product, hence the inclusion. Mk 8 is of course now a Babcocks product, hence the inclusion. The build map seems a tad jaundiced now, the "all over UK" build strategy comes down...
by clinch
24 Jan 2019, 07:13
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 421642
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

You're welcome, btw .. here is an interesting article about the number of days spent at sea of the t23 https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com/2018/10/go-to-sea-once-more-type-23-sea-days.html Thanks, I read it last year. What Sir Humphrey says is quite reasonable, we cannot have all ship "at ...
by clinch
24 Jan 2019, 07:01
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 49960
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Interesting example of the costs involved with building naval vessels indigenously, and the increased costs incurred. Canada's two new Queenston class replenishment ships are costing them CAD$2.3Bn, whilst the RFA's four Tidespring class ordered for Korea cost US£800m in other words the Canadian ve...
by clinch
07 Nov 2018, 08:10
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279152
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

>> https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/The-Equipment-Plan-2017-to-2027.pdf Costs not included in the Plan 2.2 As a consequence of the Strategic Defence and Security Review 2015, the Department introduced a number of new equipment commitments into the Plan. The Department was unable to...
by clinch
23 Oct 2018, 07:50
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279152
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

'despite last-ditch efforts by ministers to save the north Devon site.' I wonder did the same ministers consider giving the yard some orders as a last ditch effort? Actions speak louder than words... I doubt it, if this article is anything to go by :- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/21...
by clinch
12 Sep 2018, 10:38
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)
Replies: 594
Views: 36761
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Mine countermeasures and Hydrographic capability (MHC) (MHPC)

shark bait wrote:I suspect some will even have the Serco sticker on the side.


Then the defence budget really will be screwed.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/dec/19/offender-electronic-tagging-serco-repay-68m-overcharging
by clinch
05 Sep 2018, 07:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279152
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Not news so apologies for that but I find myself a tad obsessed with the Type 31 program. I scour the web & print for references and I think this is the current situation. Well, current situation for hot rumors anyhow: 1. There were 3 contenders for the design contracts: only Leander passed the...
by clinch
16 Aug 2018, 12:51
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279152
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

I wonder if it will remain a competition or just transition into a single source program. Well you would have to suspect that if Cammell and BAe met the target in the tender and if the contract eventually goes to Babcock after subsequently scrapping the tender and moving the goalposts, Cammell and ...
by clinch
13 Aug 2018, 11:41
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 421642
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

How can the Government halt the tender process and start again because one of the contestants made a bollocks of its bid? Wouldn't the Leander team have a case for legal action?
by clinch
31 Jul 2018, 17:11
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 49960
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

Francis Tusa of Defence Analysis put together a report for the Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions, pressing the case for building the ships in the UK. He puts the tax and national insurance return at 20 per cent. Building FSS in the UK would contribute to the nation’s prosperity. T...
by clinch
31 Jul 2018, 09:32
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 49960
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I understand the wider benefits to the UK but we should not be spending more than we have to of the Defence Budget to support jobs and industry. Other departments have funding to do just that. The alternative is for the MoD to charge every other department when its assets are used to provide suppor...
by clinch
30 Jul 2018, 07:29
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 49960
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I understand the wider benefits to the UK but we should not be spending more than we have to of the Defence Budget to support jobs and industry. Other departments have funding to do just that. The alternative is for the MoD to charge every other department when its assets are used to provide suppor...
by clinch
29 Jul 2018, 19:36
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
Replies: 9807
Views: 421642
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion

The idea of an "OMR" has great appeal but no Politician is going to give such a body a remit to criticise an area they deem sensitive to national security. If something was set up it would be kept behind closed doors and at most briefing Parliament in confidence being covered by the Offic...
by clinch
29 Jul 2018, 19:28
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 49960
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

I agree with the economic when looked at as a whole but that doesn't help the Defence Budget. If the ships cost 30" more to build in the UK then that is 30% that cannot be spent elsewhere. Now if that 30% was covered by a DTI subsidy for regional growth or similar then fine. That's the fault o...
by clinch
29 Jul 2018, 16:56
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Future Solid Support Ship
Replies: 890
Views: 49960
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future Solid Support Ship

How about the Arrowheads being built in Denmark and fitted out in the UK. If you're looking to save money you might be better off building the blocks in the same Estonian and Lithuanian yards that the Iver Huitfeldt blocks were built in. If you are looking to save money, build them in the UK. A ver...
by clinch
26 Jul 2018, 20:35
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Replies: 2769
Views: 142611
Location: United Kingdom

Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)

Caribbean wrote:
Ron5 wrote:Both heavily subsidized by their governments.

And here was me thinking that subsidies were contrary to EU rules


EU rules are just for us. Other member states have their cake and eat it.
by clinch
25 Jul 2018, 08:39
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279152
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

...it is understood that officials at Defence Equipment and Support were starting to realise that a cheap warship, without the array of expensive radars, sensors and weapons, would struggle to operate in submarine-infested waters. STARTING to realise? Who are they even hiring? It was said then, it ...
by clinch
24 Jul 2018, 19:43
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Replies: 5942
Views: 279152
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 31 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]

Does anyone think we are moving to a 14-frigate fleet after all?
by clinch
23 Jul 2018, 16:42
Forum: Royal Air Force
Topic: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)
Replies: 1385
Views: 83434
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

Everyone seems to have missed this... Looks like Tempest is shaking things up... https://twitter.com/olivershah/status/1020941567283081216 Wasn't he trying to stick the boot in the UK the other week. So he takes over the UK business and post-Brexit tells us he has to move all manufacturing to Easte...
by clinch
28 Jun 2018, 15:34
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3838
Views: 215020
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Very good news for BAe Systems. Just need the UK to order more and the Canadians to join the party.
by clinch
21 Jun 2018, 06:42
Forum: Royal Navy
Topic: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Replies: 3838
Views: 215020
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Israel’s armor specialist Plasan was selected to design and produce armor protection for Britain’s new Type 26 frigate. Plasan’s advanced armor technology has been implemented to protect armored vehicles and personnel, transport aircraft and helicopters as well as naval vessels. full article https:...

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